i've spoken with a number of jw's in the past who have told me that they believe the h. spirit only indwells the 144,000 (obviously contradicted by romans 8:8-9).
however, the jw i am presently trying to convert caught me a little off guard by telling me he was unaware of this doctrine (he's been a jw for 40-years) and that he understood it to be that all believers are indwelt by the h. spirit.
is he simply misinformed about his own organisations teachings here?
I recall reading the Watchtower mag not long ago re the above.
I'm sure I read that the 'other sheep' earthly class have as much holy spirit as the heavenly group. The difference seems to be, as Hadit said, only being 'led'.
If someone could locate the article on their WT cd maybe?...it would clear the mud.
Witchettygrub
2 weeks ago Mel Gibson in 'Edge of Darkness'. A little of the hereafter included surprisingly.
Last weekend, 'Shutter Island'.
Mmm, can someone explain was he - Leonardo - guilty or innocent? I couldn't make out the ending.
Witchettygrub
in case the olympics weren't drawing enough attention to city of vancouver, this year's economist intelligence unit's list of the world's most livable cities has declared the canadian city the number one urban area in which to settle down.. if you are surprised, well, you shouldn't be, due to the fact that vancouver is a consistent high achiever in these polls.
what is it about the city that makes it so great?
according to the economist's gulliver blog, canada and australia do exceptionally well in the eiu rankings due to their perfect scores for health care and education.. some of the other rankings might be more surprising, however - for example, what does one make of the fact that detroit (40th) beats both london (54th) and new york (56th)?.
Mmm, just read this.
Melbourne, a great city, and number 3 on that list. Sydney must be envious now.
W
witness yearbooks are full of experiences where jehovah saved a poor witness who prayed for help...and the soldiers walked passed and did not see them etc, etc.
however, other brothers prayed and still got executed by gillotine so...why does gods will allow such things?
isn't this just random chance put down as god's will?
What about "time and the unforeseen events" that come to all of us, good or bad.
Witchettygrub
my husband has been invited to attend a retreat or something like that on the weekend.. sounds like an overnight thing.. we are a couple of friends that belong to this group... seems innocent enough to me but my red flag went up and i am feeling very anxious about it.
..he says.
they just place bibles.. i said yeah,, that's what the jw's said.. does anyone have any ideas about the gideons??
Over here (Australia) placing Bibles is banned. You bring your own if you are going into hospital.
Last motel I stayed in, I looked in the bedside table - no Bible.
Witchettygrub
in the early 1960s, a jehovah's witness named max hatton was living and working in albany, a town on the southern coast of western australia.
when he was challenged by sda geoff rogerson, who lived in the nearby township of denmark, about the watchtower society's neo-babylonian chronology, max investigated geoff's claims.. after four years of intensive research, max resigned his position as a "servant in the organisation".. max documented the result of his research, and his 77-page study is remarkable and deserves to be widely known.
it is quite likely that the copies max and i have are two of very few copies that now exist.
Am downloading it now. Thanks so much for this bit of history.
Witchettygrub
it sounded very funny when my little sister asked my mother during their weekly bible study (some 25 years ago) what would happened if satan repented?
my mom thought she was being a smart-ass and punished her for asking such thing.
but now that i think about it, can any of these fallen angels repent?
Thanks Cabasilas for the link - interesting read.
Atlantis, thank you for your information too.
Witchettygrub
many witnesses "lived in sexual sin" during the rutherford era.
this was frowned apoun, but you were not disfellowshiped..except if you critisized rutherford!
then the watchtower under franz of may 15 1944 and finally 1/3 1952 clarified disfellowshiping for sexual immorality.
Re they "lived in sexual sin" during Rutherford's era.
Wonder how they, GB, are going to handle the current Australian law whereby couples can merely register their relationship. No ceremony, just a signing of names etc. The result being a legal relationship with all entitlements to property etc.
My guess is that most Jw's will still opt for the traditional wedding but the odd one or two may take the current option.
Witchettygrub
i am just wondering since the elders don't even bury the df'd..... do they stay df'd even after death?.
is there really a reason for jw's to continue shunning this poor souls?.
african gb member.
When I studied back in late 1960's, I learned that the blood of Jesus would continue to 'cover future sins in the New System' until he hands the Kingdom back to his father. Then we stand on our own.
Witchettygrub
yes what a great country we live in!
the government pays us $4,000 for having a baby {we need to fill this part of the earth} and due to the economic crisis we get $900 dollars from the goverment....of course some people tried using the baby money to buy a plasma tv so now the draw out the payments rather then a tempting lump sum..
Spend it wisely as it may be the last 'thrill' before the situation becomes even worse re financial crisis.
Unemployment figures continuing to rise.
Witchettygrub
