Posts by lovelylil

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Feb 15th WT article - teach your kids violence
by just n from bethel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if your kids drew this picture at school - what would her teachers/principal say?.

another good quote from the article "we made props - swords ... ".

just remember though - god hates violence - no violent video games for jws.. .
lovelylil

that is hillarious!
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Well I am hurt
by mouthy in
1. jw
2. friends
my internet has been off since the 5th of april not 1 of you missed me .

i see where a big fight went on when the conference call was on( i only read some.

of your points).
lovelylil

Grace,
YOU GO GIRL!
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man in
1. jw
2. friends
this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.

concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.

barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
lovelylil

Did everyone who listened to the conference call hear joe say on the call "I called Rick to let him know what is going on here tonight?"
I am asking because Rick is claiming that he did not know anything about it until Monday. I am calling him out as a liar. Because he knew on Saturday and that is why he and shiela tried to ambush me about it at church on Sunday.
If he is claiming he did not get Joe's call, then he is still a liar because I was on the phone for church when Shiela told him someone attacked Johnnie and claimed johnnie did not stay on long. When people listen to the call they will see I actually left the call way before johnnie did. So shiela is also a liar and that thing Mary said "a grandstander".
So Rick thanks for posting the conference call. It shows I was not rude in any way nor did I ever call johnnie a liar.
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Well I am hurt
by mouthy in
1. jw
2. friends
my internet has been off since the 5th of april not 1 of you missed me .

i see where a big fight went on when the conference call was on( i only read some.

of your points).
lovelylil

Mouthy,
You are so right. We should only listen to Jesus. Thank you for that, peace Lilly
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man in
1. jw
2. friends
this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.

concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.

barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
lovelylil

Mary, you should try these. I have a lot of elderly patients that use them, they work for urine and bowel incontinence. So you won't have to get off the call to use the bathroom, you can feel free to poop your pants.
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Cherish the new memories we can make now that we are Ex-JW
by troubled mind in
1. social
2. current
my husbands sister lives across the country from us .

we have had little contact with her over the years .

since leaving the witnesses i have tried to restablish their connections .
lovelylil

Oh my God! I just stopped crying today and NOW I am crying again, but don't worry it is happy tears.
That is soo great. You know our "worldly" families are always willing to accept us back with open arms. Just proves the WT wrong for demonizing all of them in the first place. I am so happy for you.
Enjoy your family and your new life and that goes for everyone here. Lil
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Good to See You, Lovely Lil :-)
by snowbird in
1. jw
2. friends
lilly, it's always a pleasure to read your posts.

your faith is awe-inspiring.

peace.. syl.
lovelylil

Thank you guys! I have gotten lots of emails and pms by people wishing me well. I feel much better. It always hurts when you try to do the right thing and people attack you. I think I had a flashback to my WT days and I just lost it. I do have PTSD, and when I knew Rick set me up, it was devastating. He lost all credibility in my book.
But thanks again for your support to everyone. There is sooo many people who contacted me I cannot remember everyone and don't want to leave anyone out so thanks TO ALL of you. peace everyone, Lilly
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All out pandemonium breaks out on The Six Screens Conference call... Guest Barbara Anderson and Johnny the Bethelite.
by koolaid-man in
1. jw
2. friends
this highly explosive six screens of the watchtower april 9-2011 conference call is now up loaded and ready to be heard.

concerned people from all over the world were calling in to get the latest news on what is going on in the world of the watchtower.. our first guest was barbara anderson and she brought us up to speed on the criminal complaint the watchtower organization is facing in australia.

barbara as always wants the facts straight and delivers her information in a very professional,competent manner.. steve guziec a former j.w.
lovelylil

PC,
You are right. Johnny gave NO insider information. He stumbled over his words many times.
You will all note (whoever listens to the call) I asked him to repeat the names of the governing body members. The first time he stumbled but then named them all by last name only. Since I was intently listening, And I am the type of person who picks up on "the way" people say things, it sounded to me like Johnny was reading off a list.
So, to test my theory that the 2nd time he was asked he would KNOW the body members without stumbling but also, name them in the EXACT same oder, I asked him to repeat the names. And while he was naming them, I already had the list, in the same oder he did. Why? Because they are listed in that order on wikepedia, here it is;
Samuel Herd (1999)
Geoffrey Jackson (2005)
M. Stephen Lett (1999)
Gerrit Lösch (1994)
Anthony Morris (2005)
Guy H. Pierce (1999)
David H. Splane (1999)

Johnnie was getting suspicous and to throw a smoke screen up, which backfired on him, he next says "I think the last 2 body members to be appointed were Jackson and Morris". "let me see, I think it was in 2005" BINGO!!!

My red flags were very high now. You tell me how that matches to the above list? He even says THIS in the same order as Wikepedia. Jackson then Morris. No one repeats things in the same order several minutes apart in the EXACT same way UNLESS they have a list! I had it on my computer the same time Johnnie was giving me his "bethel insider" info.

What else red flagged me: Johnnie gives insider information about Wallkill NY. I am from NY, spent many summers upstate with family as a kid. I DELIBERATELY threw out there that Wallkill is a waste land, nothing around. Johnnie agrees with this. He mentions it is miles away to the nearest Walmart. Nothing around there he says, oh really johnnie? Anyway, If he actually KNEW anything about Wallkill NY, he would know that Wallkill is actually very large compared to other towns in upstate NY. http://www.townofwallkill.com/html/menu_tow_recreation.html

Here is the 3rd flag, I am not that computer literate by my daughter who is 18 is. She is a graphic artist and spends Lots of time on computers. She let me in on something I did not know. You can search Entire Phrases of material online. So while Johnnie was talking, I was letting my fingers do the search. The few things he did share about the WT ALL Came from these sources;

jehovah's-witness.net, FreeMinds.org, JW media.org, and Barbara Anderson's website.

The 4th flag was when someone asked Johnnie about the Vow of Poverty the Bethelites take and he had no idea what they were talking about.

Lastly, Johnnie supposedly emailed Rick a legit. photo id from Bethel. Well I made my own too, Not sure how to copy over links to threads but it is found on this forum and is entitled "proof I work at Bethel with johnnie", As a matter of fact I am trying to figure out how to make this I.D. Card my new Avatar. Have a look for yourselves. With my daughter's photo editing software it took all of 10 minutes to make.

So you see, I had a list of material to share with Rick but he didn't want to see it. He made me the enemy instead and then retaliated by setting me up to be attacked in his church. that is what I was upset about. His cronies on six screens did not scare me one bit. They refused to listen, called me a grandstander and even though I opologized for upsetting them, they still tried to attack me during Ricks church session the next day.

By now I already realize and my family agrees that Rick knew all along Johnnie was a plant, perhaps he planted johnnie himself because he cannot accept the fact that he is not putting even a small dent in the WT at all, and it is killing his ego. And he has to find creative ways to get people interested in his cult so he can grow it. My daugther told me today that Rick's group is an oxymoron because they are "a cult trying to take down a cult". I think at 18 she has more sense than anyone that was on the six screens call on Saturday Night.