I think it's safe to say that the amount of effort put into the door-to-door work is negatively disproportionate the desired result (i.e. the "effect").
Dedalus
knockin' on doors when nobody's home, processing ten of thousands of hours that u know are fake, refusing to embrace modern-technology to further the work just adds up to the most ineffective public relations campaign of the 21st century---yep, you guessed it the house-to-house work.........
I think it's safe to say that the amount of effort put into the door-to-door work is negatively disproportionate the desired result (i.e. the "effect").
Dedalus
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has anybody ever been to the movies and had people sit behind and talk the whole way through.
i went to see the two towers, ended up leaving before the movie got through, so i did not get to see how it ends.
I must confess: I like talking through movies. I try to be respectful in theaters, though. Still, the temptation to run an MST3K-style commentary throughout a film, especially a film one isn't enjoying, is difficult to resist.
That was my experience with Magnolia, that bloated, meandering opus, but mostly just a mess, of a film. After two hours I was literally yelling at the screen: "End, you stupid, stupid movie -- END!" and "Frogs -- oooooh, that's deep!" Luckily, my friend and I were the only ones there, so we weren't annoying anyone.
I'd also like to take this moment to declare that, apart from my wife, I am the only person in America (and perhaps the world) who does not like the Lord of the Rings movies. Or the books.
Dedalus
this topic came up on slashdot, where some of the replies were...interesting, to say the least.. what would you guys say to yourselves, if you could send your 12-year-old self a message?.
i know that was about the age i began to read really well, and only five years later i left "the truth", so it was a crucial point in my life, as it is in the lives of many...?.
"hello self, this is...yourself speaking.
Neat topic! Here's a top ten "advice" list for my younger self:
1. DON'T GET BAPTISED.
2. When you're 15 years old and you go for a walk in the park with that "worldly" girl Kate, remember that she actually wants you to kiss her (and if you don't, you'll find this out later, when it's TOO LATE) -- however, stay away from the duck pond, because the PO is having a picnic with his family there.
3. Don't ever let the elders or anyone else tell you who you can or can't be friends with; trust your own instincts. Never say the words, "I can't associate with you because we don't have enough in common" when you know those words are not true.
4. Your mother doesn't realize this yet, but she's a lesbian who will leave the Organization in her own due time. Be patient -- she'll celebrate Christmas with you someday.
5. When you're 19 and dating your future wife, who will be a very hot 17, don't talk to her about Kingdom Ministries and Service Meetings -- KISS HER, you idiot! Remember that girls want you to do this more than you think they do.
6. That pair of glass you're thinking of buying are way too big for your face -- pick smaller frames. Your cheeks and forehead don't need to see through the lenses.
7. Enjoy your friendships with people in the Organization ... but do it cautiously, because they won't stay with you when you leave the religion for good.
8. English teachers don't make a lot of money. Maybe try a magazine internship when you go to college, get into publishing instead, although I'm not sure there's much money in publishing. Resign yourself to the fact that your talents aren't financially compensated.
9. George Michael's hairdo just doesn't look good on you.
10. No matter what your father says, foolishness is not tied up in your heart.
Dedalus
hey folks, seem my posting privileges have been restricted.
i guess i've been a bad boy.
dedalus and i had some cool interactions but i guess the fun is over.
I was Dissin them.
We mid-level academics would never use such "common" vernacular.
Seriously, Maverick, I hope it works out for you. Whether I'm right about baptism nullification or not is sort of besides the point. What matters is that you make your exit in a way that satisfies yourself. That's sort of all I was ever really trying to say, anyway.
Dedalus
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/27/1043533999915.html
january 28 2003. by andrew masterson.
let us now praise famous sheep.
[quote]people convinced of their own salvation are, by definition, blind to the inconsistencies of faith.[/quote]
I love this line!
Great article.
Dedalus
dear all,.
i nearly met up with brother ted f. the other day.
i say nearly, because i arrived round my mothers house just a few minutes after he left.
Terrific post, Duncan! I really enjoyed that.
Dedalus
baptized persons who have not associated for some time .
if you learn of serious wrongdoing on the part of such a .
person, the matter should be investigated if it poses a .
Please check out the Baptism Nullification letter in this post and give me your thoughts.
If you happen to agree with Maverick's thoughts, that is. Otherwise he's not interested.
Dedalus
well, it had to come to this eventually.. this winter my wife and daughter and i celebrated christmas with my in-laws, with whom we currently live (high school english teachers don't make much money!).
my in-laws have been inactive for about two years, and this year, they decided to celebrate the holidays.
one reason for this is that their son, who is eight, has multiple disabilities -- can't see, trouble hearing, other, quite sever, issues -- and christmas, with its presents and wrapping and loud carols and trees and wreaths is, well, a very accessible experience for him, the way, say, my kingdom ministry and the watchtower are not.. well, as a household we went all out.
Maverick,
Okay, cool.
Dedalus
we are told we can quit (dissassociate) or get kicked out ( dissfellowshipped), but are these the only options we have?
while you cannot stop people from acting a certain way around you there may be a way to take to power away from the society and give it back to the people who love you and know it their hearts that shunning in unloving.
check out the baptism nullification letter in the friends forum posted by blackguard.
Blackguard,
I'll only say that I think the perpetuation of any labelling goes on no matter what when you leave. Witnesses are frequently advised to doubt the integrity of their own members. Having said that (hopefully without sounding like I'm mentally deranged, as I evidently have sounded all along ), I think your observations are sound and I respect them.
Dedalus
we are told we can quit (dissassociate) or get kicked out ( dissfellowshipped), but are these the only options we have?
while you cannot stop people from acting a certain way around you there may be a way to take to power away from the society and give it back to the people who love you and know it their hearts that shunning in unloving.
check out the baptism nullification letter in the friends forum posted by blackguard.
Anything to avoid an actual discussion, right Maverick?
Dedalus