JH, I get that Mr. Moe was talking about people in general. I was just trying to say that there is no relationship between the problems of "ordinary people" and the problems of, uh, homeless people. I'm not going to get all weepy for being well off because others aren't. The logical conclusion of such a position is that one would abnegate all that is good in one's life in order to demonstrate one's poignant sympathy with those less fortunate. There are better ways to regard the problem. As for Phil Collins's stupid song -- I have the same problem with it that I have with William Wordsworth's poems about the poor. The homeless and poor become objects for middle-class self-reflection, middle-class complacency, mirrors in which we see opportunities for magnanimous, masturbatory gestures of our own generous humanity. To me it reeks of sentimental posturing and I don't like it. And meanwhile, Collins profits from it. What do the homeless get? As for my mood, that has nothing to do with this. I just have a different perspective than you do. Dedalus
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Just Another Issue
by MrMoe ini know right now you are sitting behind a computer, so you would be considered (at least by me and millions of others world over) to be... well... lucky.
here is where you react with your personal problems which are rather petty (sorry not trying to be rude here) life situations that amount to a hill of beans, barring extreme life circumstances, compared to say, that one guy who wears rags and talks to himself on the corner of main and broadway.
huh?
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Just Another Issue
by MrMoe ini know right now you are sitting behind a computer, so you would be considered (at least by me and millions of others world over) to be... well... lucky.
here is where you react with your personal problems which are rather petty (sorry not trying to be rude here) life situations that amount to a hill of beans, barring extreme life circumstances, compared to say, that one guy who wears rags and talks to himself on the corner of main and broadway.
huh?
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Here is where you react with your personal problems which are rather petty (sorry not trying to be rude here) life situations that amount to a hill of beans, barring extreme life circumstances, compared to say, that one guy who wears rags and talks to himself on the corner of Main and Broadway.
So, because I'm not homeless, my personal problems are therefore petty? Isn't it possible to be concerned about homeless people without being piously self-deprecating?
As for that stupid Phil Collins song -- how much money did he make so sensitively crooning away about the homeless, anyway?
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I Have to Say That...
by AGuest ini find it quite amusing that there are those here, everywhere, who feel themselves so "in-the-know" with regard to the "things" of god... and yet, vehemently deny the spirit... and its gifts.
they pomp and posture over what "the bible says"... as if they are truly knowledgable.
they hold it up as god's infallible word, that which should be consulted devotedly, in order to know god... and the "things" of god... all the while denying what it itself has written in it.
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I find it QUITE amusing that there are those here, everywhere, who feel themselves SO "in-the-know" with regard to the "things" of God...
ROTFLMAO!
Very funny, coming from you ...
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I talked to my daughter today
by ESTEE inas many of you may be aware, i am disfellowshipped and live in the same city as my daughter...we work a block away from each other in downtown vancouver.
occasionally, i drop flowers off at the reception desk for her, with my home card, my business card, etc.
well, today was the day when i decided to take it a step further.
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What can I say, except, !
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New here...(my story and a request for help)
by stephaniesays ini was raised in the organization.
my stepfather was a ministerial servant but was removed when i was 14, due to family problems, which he blamed on me (he was abusive, physically, and was told that if he cannot control his family, he could not be an example to the congregation).
i became pregnant at 15 and have not really lived around my family since then.
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I like your handle -- are you a Velvet Underground fan?
Most people here are going to give you the good advice of accepting the loss of your friend as a consequence for rejecting her attempts at indoctrination.
A good book for you to read is Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz.
Another thing you could look at to discourage yourself from accepting the Organization is its history of bloodthirsty literature. Its doctrine is predicated on the assumption that billions and billions of people, including children and babies, are going to be slaughtered so Witnesses can take over the planet. Consider:
"Every kind of terror will be used to destroy the evil world--cloud bursts, lashing rains, overflowing floods, earthquakes, giant hailstorms and a rain of fire. There will be terror on the land, terror in the sea and terror in the air. With shocking surprise Armageddon will catch all those persons outside the New World society." -- From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, 1958, p. 207.
"On Satan's side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent, as we read, 'The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.' That includes all the governments of the world together with their supporters, the commercial, religious and social institutions. Even the professedly Christian organizations? Yes, because all such that are making themselves friends of the world are making themselves enemies of God." -- Watchtower 10/15/58, p. 614-5.
"Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization--God's visible organization--that will survive the fast-approaching ‘great tribulation.’ It is simply not true that all religion lead to the same goal … You must be part of Jehovah’s organization, doing God’s will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life." – You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1982, p. 255.
"Never forget that only God’s organization will survive the end of this dying system. Act wisely, therefore, and make plans for life eternal by building your future with Jehovah’s organization." – Watchtower 7/15/84, p. 20.
"Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the ‘great crowd,’ as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural home of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4) They will make up the ‘flesh’ that Jesus Christ said would be saved through the worst tribulation in human history." – Watchtower 9/1/89, p. 19.
"The masses of people facing annihilation if they fail to respond to the good news include out unbelieving relatives, neighbors, workmates, schoolmates, and acquaintances. But our concern is to reach out to ‘all sorts of men’ in imitation of God, who manifested his love for the entire world by giving his Son, Jesus Christ, as a ransom for all (John 3:16). We must zealously invite all to flee to God’s place of safety. By fully carrying out the preaching work, we can avoid bloodguilt." – Kingdom Ministry, September 2000, p. 1
Happy stuff, isn't it?
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The kind of Man GWBush is.
by Yerusalyim inat walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.
he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.
the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?
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Pass it on...the press won't.
You're right -- the press is too busy reporting that he fell off his Segway.
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Nicknames
by Aztec insorry if this has been brought up before (and i'm sure it has) but what are your nicknames?
what people nickname you can be very telling about your personality and it's funny that they sometimes become more a part of you than your given name.. i have a long list of them..lol!.
when i was a kid: carrie canary (cause i walked around singing all the time).
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Deadalus, by posters who didn't like me.
At my TV job they call me "professor."
I've never liked any of my nicknames.
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To The Folks
by Farkel inthose of you that know me well know that i'm not going to say anything or much of anything anymore in this forum.. .
however, i will be offering much of my music instead.
i won't be posting it here anymore.
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I feel stupid.
No comment.Never miss an opportunity to be above it all, do you, Teejay? To be clear, I feel stupid for unburying a hatchet I didn't realize we'd agreed to bury. You have a PM.
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To The Folks
by Farkel inthose of you that know me well know that i'm not going to say anything or much of anything anymore in this forum.. .
however, i will be offering much of my music instead.
i won't be posting it here anymore.
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Damn. Teejay, I did miss this post of yours. I can only say that I honestly looked for it and never saw it back then. But it's my fault.
Good enough for me, Dedalus. Consider our feud at an end.
That makes everything I wrote irrelevant. I'll delete it all if you want.
I hope the feud can be over again. I feel stupid.
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To The Folks
by Farkel inthose of you that know me well know that i'm not going to say anything or much of anything anymore in this forum.. .
however, i will be offering much of my music instead.
i won't be posting it here anymore.
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Well, yeah, I guess I am airing a grievence, with lots of quotes and everything. I don't know if it's "adult" or not for me to do so. My wife would probably think it's all silly. In a way, of course, it is. But, so it goes. This is just one of those threads. Like all the nonsense with homosexuality lately, it just has to happen every once in a while.
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