note also what is under the "what's new" sub-heading.
http://www.geocities.com/thewitnesslink/links_hp.html.
actually you have to scroll down and click on the palm pilot link sorry.
I missed the "what's new" subheading, but I "clicked" on "Joel Vandenberg Bookbinding." It had:
"Please Note: We are Jehovah's Witnesses and our products are for Jehovah's Witnesses only."
how rude....most churches would chastise a member for having such a "holier-than-thou" attitude....
dear ken:.
i hope your brother in law is faring well.
you asked about evil the other day and i am now getting back to you on that subject.. i cannot prove that god exists.
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the vancouver sun .
june 14, 2000, wednesday, final .
religion.
whatsthisabout,
This NEWSPAPER ARTICLE quoted PAUL GILLIES, SPOKESMAN FOR THE WTS IN BRITAIN....He, Gillies, stated that policy had not changed but then goes on to say that "no action would be taken,"
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Paul Gillies, spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses in Britain, said the church's teaching about blood has not changed and not
taking blood is still a ''core value'' of the religion.
''It is quite possible that someone who was under pressure on an operating table would take a blood transfusion because they
did not want to die. The next day they might say they regretted this decision. We would then give them spiritual comfort and help.
No action would be taken against them. We would just view it as a moment of weakness.''
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I wonder if Mr. Gillies contacted the "Vancouver Sun" and, as you claim, let them know they didn't have their "facts straight" and had "misquoted" him?
you: "...judicial action will be taken..."
Paul Gillies, WTS spokesman: "No action would be taken against them."
It certainly sounds like one or the other is confused.......
the edmonton sun .
april 14, 2002 sunday, final edition .
section: editorial/opinion; pg.
yes, it is ironic that a JW will sacrifice his LIFE in order to abstain from a mere SYMBOL OF LIFE....
and you're right, why are some things taken literally, and some are not? Why not take Deuteronomy 23:1 literally and question every male as to the condition of his privates before he can be baptized ?
"He whose testicles are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall not enter the assembly of the Lord." RSV
Also in Deuteronomy:
"When a man is newly married, he shall not go out with the army or be charged with any business; he shall be free at home one year, to be happy with his wife whom he has taken."
Deuteronomy 24:5
Doesn't this suggest that he is free to go out with the army if he isn't newly married?
I'm no Bible Scholar, but these are sincere questions that I would ask if I, as Witnesses supposedly do, took the Bible literally....
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I wonder if alot of the ones out in service are even aware?
I've been emailing alot to the newspapers in Ohio and W. Virginia, trying to hit a newspaper that services Stratton.....I address the silentlambs articles to "The residents of Stratton, Ohio" or "To Anyone That Has A Door That Jehovah's Witnesses Have Access To." If I were a Witness, I'd have the flu today.....
the edmonton sun .
april 14, 2002 sunday, final edition .
section: editorial/opinion; pg.
MATTY, I hear you, my family has been JW's since I was young and I, to this day, cannot really explain why they don't take blood. But when I was growing up I believed that it was wrong to take it, just because that's what I was taught....the Bible forbid it, end of story...just like Path was saying, JW's usually point out that it safeguards you from hep and aids, they really don't go into alot of Biblical explanation.... people raised in the "truth," and sincere people that study and get baptized, really just trust the WTS to know what it's talking about. Most likely they believe that the person that studys with them is some kind of "Bible Scholar." By the time a lot of people begin to question things, they're forbidden to question....
thanks for your input, I am curious about this.....
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HEADLINE: New Jersey couple excommunicated from Jehovah's Witnesses for speaking out
against abuse
BYLINE: BETH CAMPBELL; Associated Press Writer
DATELINE: LOUISVILLE, Kentucky
BODY:
A woman said she and her husband have been excommunicated from the Jehovah's Witnesses
after speaking out against the church's handling of their daughter's allegations of sex abuse by another
member.
Barbara and Carl Pandelo of Belmar, New Jersey, had been awaiting a decision since Monday,
when a judicial committee of the church met in New Jersey to consider ousting them, a practice
which the denomination terms disfellowshipping.
"They've just made it official now," she said Friday night in a telephone interview. They are among
four Jehovah's Witnesses who were threatened with disfellowship for sowing discord in the faith by
speaking out against the church.
One of them, William Bowen, a 44-year-old former church elder from Draffenville, Kentucky, has
complained that child-sex allegations are generally not reported to secular authorities by the
Jehovah's Witnesses because of the church's closed nature and insistence on handling problems
internally.
Anthony Valenti, an elder in the Pandelos' church, did not immediately return phone calls Friday
night.
But J.R. Brown, a spokesman for the denomination, said earlier this week that parents are not
punished by the church for going to the police first in cases of child molestation. He said anyone
found guilty of molestation by a church judicial committee is removed from all positions of
responsibility.
The Pandelos' dispute with the denomination dates to 1988, when their 12-year-old daughter said
she was molested by her paternal grandfather, also a member of the faith. The grandfather has
returned to the denomination.
Carl and Barbara Pandelo have not been active in the church for some time, she said, but she regrets
losing the friends they made.
"To take someone and shun and abandon them is the most psychologically damaging thing you can
do," Pandelo said.
Barbara Anderson of Normandy, Tennessee, has also been summoned to appear before a
committee. Anderson has said she learned about the church's handling of abuse cases while working
at its headquarters in New York City.
it seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.
all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.
just ignore the taunts, the insults.
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the edmonton sun .
april 14, 2002 sunday, final edition .
section: editorial/opinion; pg.
Path, how right you are. They most likely have to be coached because, I for one, truly believe that most Witnesses are really not that knowledgeable about the blood issue...I doubt seriously that even 5% of baptized Witnesses really researched the blood doctrine before enslaving themselves to it.....I can't answer for all, and I was never baptized, but I do know that none of my relatives researched it before getting baptized. People get so caught up in the "living forever on a paradise earth" thing that they're willing to believe anything the WTS teaches...I was looking thru the "KNOWLEDGE" book and I was shocked that by page 175 of this pamphlet-type book they were actually talking about getting BAPTIZED.....how many people, by studying up to page 175 of this book, are really knowledgeable enough about WTS doctrine to be dedicating their LIVES to it? AND....they're going door to door teaching others......things may be different now, but when I was growing up, I know that people really didn't question or even care to question issues before getting baptized....they just thought if the WTS taught it, it had to be the "truth"
How many here that were baptized really researched the blood issue BEFORE you were baptized?
the edmonton sun .
april 14, 2002 sunday, final edition .
section: editorial/opinion; pg.
This is an article that I went back and found concerning her chemo....Also, I believe Hawkaw (sic) has talked to the father and had his address posted for anyone wanting to help out with a donation. This article says his legal bills alone are like $100,000, while Newsday reported the WTS making over 951 MILLION DOLLARS in 2000!!!And here is this man just trying to keep his daughter alive.... anyway I'm posting the article for anyone that's interested, and like Hawkaw posted earlier, any donation would help this guy, at least it'd be some emotional support I'd think. It sounds like she only has one more round of chemo and transfusions, if the supreme court doesn't stop it...
Edmonton Journal
May 5, 2002 Sunday Final Edition
A Calgary teenager's plea to halt life-saving blood transfusions, which violate her religious beliefs,
is heading for the top court in the nation Monday.
The 16-year-old girl's lawyer, David Gnam has spent the last two nights preparing appeal documents
for the Supreme Court of Canada, which he plans to file Monday morning. It will be up to the court
to decide whether or not they will hear the teen's case.
"We are asking the court to hear the matter on an expedited basis. We need to have a hearing on
this before the next round of treatment starts," said Gnam when reached at his Toronto home
Saturday. His client, who uses the name Mia (the last letters of leukemia), is scheduled to begin her
fourth and final round of chemotherapy and blood transfusions in June. "Obviously we will want a
decision before then."
Mia and her mother have fought since February against her father and the office of Alberta's child
welfare director, who insist the treatment should continue.
"Why not leave it alone and let her live?" Mia's 51-year-old father asked Saturday when he heard of
the latest legal foray.
He said his daughter has been able to leave the Alberta Children's Hospital in the past week on day
passes.
"She is looking really good. She seems to have lots of energy. Her colour is good. If these treatments
stop she will die. She would have died already."
Mia, who has been resistant to her current therapies, has sought to have treatment that does not
include blood transfusions at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles.
Since her diagnosis with acute myeloid leukemia on Feb. 13, Mia's case has been heard in all levels
of court in Alberta.
In both provincial family court and the Court of Queen's Bench, Mia was ordered to take the
extensive regimen of treatments. Justice Adele Kent argued that even though she was a mature minor
she still lacked the capacity to decide what was in her best interest.
As well, the Alberta Court of Appeal rejected legal arguments that she be considered a mature
minor capable of making an informed decision against the recommended treatment for her leukemia.
"We will again be arguing that she should have a right to choose as a mature minor," Gnam explained
of the upcoming application. He asked the Alberta Court of Appeal to indicate in its written ruling
that the case should go to the Supreme Court because of its importance.
But Justice Jean Cote warned Gnam that the Supreme Court has limits on how many cases it can
hear and must set its priorities.
Calgary lawyer Gerry Chipeur, on behalf of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, will also be filing an
application to be heard as an interested party. The Church has an extensive history of battling for
religious freedoms.
"The Seventh-day Adventist Church is greatly concerned that an otherwise competent young woman
is being physically restrained, sedated and treated contrary to her express wishes and contrary to her
religious conscience," said church secretary Nilton Amorim in an affidavit obtained by the Calgary
Herald.
Mia's father, who is also a Jehovah's Witness, said he is doing what he believes is necessary to save
his daughter's life.
"I can't just sit by and watch her die."
He will continue to fight all the way to the Supreme Court; unfortunately his legal bills are mounting.
Co-workers have set up a trust fund to help him tackle the more than $100,000 he owes to his
lawyer.
The fund has been set up in the name Shunned Father at P.O. Box 20161, Calgary Place R.P.O.,
Calgary, T2P 4J2. All cheques should be made payable to "Save My Daughter."
