Posts by deddaisy

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Tempering expectations to reality

by gravedancer in

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as one who has been reading posts this evening i find it odd that many of the xjw's here are wondering why every jw who sees a program like panorama doesn't immediately quit the cult (yes i said cult).

well its a rather obvious explanation, in my opinion.

simply put "you cannot argue against faith with facts".

deddaisy

this may seem off the subject at first, but it's frightenly similar to the Witnesses' behavior......

did anyone happen to see the girl in the box story on one of those investigative type shows last week? It was a re-run so I'm not sure what year the incident took place.....anyway this couple picked up this girl hitch-hiking, think she was about 20 years old, and ended up kidnapping her. The husband was a real freak and literally hung this girl by chains in the basement, blind-folded and tortured her. (I'll try to make this short, but it was a complex story...) This torture went on for months before he began raping her. The ugly wife would just take care of their 8-month-old baby while her ugly, sadist husband raped and beat this girl that he kept in chains. He convinced this girl that he was in an organization that traded sex slaves and that if she didn't obey him, he'd trade her to an owner that would really be rough on her and he'd also find and kill her family. He even made her sign her name to a contract stating she was his slave. This went on for years, it got to the point where he allowed her in the yard to do work and she never tried to escape because she had signed the slave contract. the couple moved and she had to help dig a new torture chamber for future victims. get this, they kept her in their waterbed frame under their waterbed for years! (the box) and only let her out to eat and go to the bathroom, or do a little work!!!!! This guy kept her, torturing her, for SEVEN YEARS!!!!!! He even finally dropped her off to visit her family, who thought she had been murdered, and she NEVER TOLD HER PARENTS WHAT WAS GOING ON..... so finally, the wife finds religion and tells this girl that her husband is lying about this slave organization and allows her to leave......did she call the police? no....the police found out because the wife confessed to her pastor and the pastor contacted the authorities.......they questioned the girl, and she confirmed that they had kidnapped, tortured, raped, beat, and kept her confined in a small, dark, frame under the bed for SEVEN YEARS....

the point? well the court system had a difficult time comprehending that in seven years, this girl had never tried to escape, never confided to her parents while she was there for a day but instead left again with the husband, and endured that amount of physical and mental torture and never contacted the police when freed....PLUS, the defense introduced at court, LETTERS THAT SHE WROTE TO THE HUSBAND AFTER SHE FINALLY ESCAPED PROFESSING HER LOVE FOR HIM....

the narrator, at the start of the show, said behavior like this is not unusual in captives toward their captors, and alot of members of RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS........I believe he said it's called the "Stockholm Syndrome" .....He said Stockholm something......the mental state is worn down and after awhile the captives begin to be dependent on the captors .....he mentioned how it is not unusual for some victims of captors and religious groups to want to return to them because they believe that the captors are like their family, and their real families are now the outside world........

anyway, sorry, didn't think this would be this long when I started......I have to admit though if I had never been in contact with JWs and saw firsthand how so many remain faithful to a organization, blinded to its hypocrisy, I would have never bought the idea of a Stockholm Syndrome....actually, they commented that for what that girl went through, she did good just to be a little "weirded out" at first, a lot of people would have permanately shut down mentally....

it's a very fine line though with the Witnesses between what they can't see and what they don't want to see.......

Edited by - deddaisy on 15 July 2002 3:11:10

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Evil Anderson In Today's Wt Study

by silentlambs in

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the following picture appears in todays watchtower study in the article, find the light in jehovahs righteousness on page 16. .

sister anderson is pictured to the left, now why would they use s picture if she was df?

i cannot get pic to go up if anyone has it put it up or i will send it to you.. .

deddaisy

strange, I thought Barb was a blonde...........

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Everyone Can Watch Panorama, Look Here!

by Englishman in

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click on the "panorama" banner above, or here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_2114000/2114320.stm.

click on latest programme.

you can now watch the entire airing of last sunday's production, which dealt with the hunt for bin laden.

deddaisy

somebody help!!!!!!!!!!

waaaaahhhhh! I'm not getting it.....is it something I'm doing or this blasted computer?

I click on the banner, I then click on Latest Programme, then I get

"File Download" (asking me if I want to save to disc, etc, etc.) then I get

"some attachments could not be found" THEN

"connecting to mail server" THEN

this blasted computer tells me it has 258 messages left to download!!!!! when I hit "stop," it tells me that I have new mail.....

is there anything I can do....are there any computer docs in the house?

I'm going to go dig a hole in the backyard for this #*%# thing............dinosaur......

(speaking of dinosaurs, city fan, I was laughing so hard on that other thread when I read your comment about the dinosaur being created for oil that I choked on my pepsi)

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Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

by Jim Dee in

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uk re panorama program .

a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

1. read it yourself.

deddaisy

scully, I'll e-mail Stephen Bates.......I wish I were there, I'd go to the meeting dragging along some recording-equipment behind me, notebooks falling, pencils tucked in my hair........tell them I just moved into the area, I'm a "new study" and a quite efficient note-taker. OMG....sit in the front row.....how long do you think it'd take for the PO to make a call to Brooklyn ? aaahhhhhh, if I left now, could I make it?

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Where is the proof Jehovahs people abuse children?

by Bleep in

here is what this "special topic" describes with deadly false propaganda.. "a person might ask why we would single out the witnesses in this matter.

as with other fundamentalist cults, the watchtower goes by the bible advice only when it comes to exposing crimes regarding children or anyone else, that there must be two or more witnesses to a crime.

since abuse and molestation are rarely seen by anyone other than the perpetrator and the victim (and the victim will rarely testify against himself), perhaps hundreds or thousands of cases have gone unpunished, and the perpetrator has not been brought to the police, and the congregation has not been told.

deddaisy

bleep, maybe if you look under "child abuse," instead of "Bible Research," you'll find some articles about JW elders being sentenced on abuse charges........

"I am glad that all crimes will eventually come to an abrupt halt like a thief in the night."

In the mean time bleep, if and when you have a child and she begins to retreat into a shell from being molested, just tell her, or him, to close their eyes when that nice brother shoves things up inside of them, and to think of the new system, because daddy or mommy can't stop it, because they are victims also, and only Jehovah can stop it. and you know bleep, this will teach them valuable life lessons for the future also. If they are raped, or physically or mentally abused again in the future, they'll realize that, as victims, there is nothing they can do about it, except to bend over once again, and wait on God to end it..........

"That time will come in God's time frame and not mortal man's."

gee, maybe you should inform the WT writers of this........

"I hope God would be able to hear since God made the ear."

obviously he has selective hearing though. I had a very nice sister, years ago, try to explain to me "the proper way" to pray....It was obvious that she was mouthing someone else's words. anyway, she said that it was "quite all right to pray for new tires," or something you were in need of. I found this rather shallow, that at a time when that maniac in Wisconsin was butchering little boys and freezing them, that people would be praying about car equipment......I suppose to a "pioneer" that didn't have time to hold a job and get in her "hours," tires were a serious matter.........My point is, I don't understand how witnesses rationalize that somehow Jehovah doesn't hear the crys of a child being molested but he's all ears when it comes to tires for a car.....

"Hope so."

Unfortunately for JWs, truth overrides hope........

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LET THE EVIDENCE BEGIN

by QUANTUM in

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please refer to the following.

http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.

begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.

deddaisy

Double Edge:

exactly what part of the four paragraphs following your "Deddaisy:" are intended for me ? better yet, why don't you just direct me to the things that I posted that you have a problem with......because from your post:

"Gee I hate to spoil everyones Morman bashing, (its sooo fun knocking anothers religion)"

I don't understand your bitch.......first of all, if you believe that I was "Mormon bashing," my point went right over your head......second of all, as far as "knocking another's religion," well we certainly wouldn't have any of that on an ex-JW forum would we? no, you didn't go on to make remarks about the "Southern Baptists" and "Lutherans." And noone here would dream of trashing the Witnesses, would they? But, you better walk on eggshells around anyone claiming to be a Mormon, because he came here only to have a civil chat and to answer some questions......oh, but wait, he didn't actually answer any questions did he?

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News Flash! JW's Aren't Christians At All!

by LizardSnot in

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what qualifies jehovah's witnesses to call themselves christians?.

unlike other "bible-based" religions who believe in the divine nature of jesus;.

the watchtower bible and tract society claims that jesus christ is the savior .

deddaisy

"getting head....wife's eternal soul"

I know, I know ! you should have heard him when I confronted him about it, he tried to tell me that "the nuns must've lied to my co-worker!" He couldn't even keep a straight face.....men are such dogs.......

anyway.....xander, that tract may have said "Christiandom," I can't remember the exact wording, but I did find it weird because I had never noticed that on any tracts before......kind of strange also that this was after they were caught with the "wild beast," that they should try to set themselves apart from the "great harlot...."

Lizard, I don't recall what the tract was about, I do remember that it was right around the Memorial because at first I thought that was what it was in reference too.....somebody that still attends meetings should be able to get one.....I wanted to get another one from my JW family, but they always think I'm plotting. I don't know where they get that idea.......

Edited by - deddaisy on 13 July 2002 2:3:52

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Lots of Jehovah Bashing in Here

by Perfection Seeker in

i think when people leave the organization, they lump it all together- jehovah- religion, organization, etc.

i am not doubtful there is a god, but just doubtful that he used the wts to be his one & only means.

just wanted to say that.

deddaisy

"For those of you who don't believe in God, are you evolutionists?"

tkmmorgan, I personally still struggle with the concept of "God," and even being able to define God. Sometimes it seems that "God" is a collective consciousness. Other times I feel that God is nothing more than rantings of mad men. The thing is, our thoughts are abstract, so why can't we also be. I mean, I guess I mean that maybe we don't have to necessarily come to any final conclusion regarding God. Look at kids, their minds are always a "work in progress," which is what makes kids so free. They don't worry about coming to conclusions or where they came from or where they're going. They are free. Because truth over-rides hope, we don't have to be burdened with the fear that unless we know everything it won't be so.

you know I said in my post that I could never see anyone, in reality, believing in God just because it was a safe bet. and you commented that then they would be no better than JWs. It made me realize that not only a lot of JWs do this, but in reality, a lot of people in a lot of organized religions do it. How many people hide behind some religion, like they're going to fool God and sneak into heaven, paradise earth, or somehow avoid hell, purgatory, on and on and on.......so I take back that statement, in reality, alot of people "believe" in God because it's a safe bet........

evolution is interesting....I've never actually researched it or got into it enough to make an informed decision, but my husband is very big on evolution and creation. He believes that God created man through evolution, that evolution was his plan......I often wonder what man would believe in if he carried around absolutely no "baggage" from a religious upbringing. sun gods? moon goddesses?

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News Flash! JW's Aren't Christians At All!

by LizardSnot in

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what qualifies jehovah's witnesses to call themselves christians?.

unlike other "bible-based" religions who believe in the divine nature of jesus;.

the watchtower bible and tract society claims that jesus christ is the savior .

deddaisy

" I knew anal was a no-no, but didn't know about oral."

Bona, evidently, at least this is what a previous co-worker who was Catholic told me, the Catholics frown upon oral sex also....imagine my surprize at learning this, as my husband attended Catholic school up until high school and never once mentioned to me that I would burn in hell for doing that. imagine that........

Lizard, do Witnesses consider themselves Christians? I'm not being obnoxious, I always thought they considered themselves as such, but a few months back a Witness left a little flyer with me and I noticed that in really small print at the bottom it said something to the effect of "our organization is not a part of Christianity." I don't remember the exact wording, only that I found it both obnoxious and arrogant. oh my, what a shocker.....I wish I would've hung on to it but my two-year-old pretty much destroyed it.......I suppose it meant that they're Christians but no part of Christianity? who knows, it's hard to keep up with their changes...I personally like your "Samsonites" idea, maybe you should submit it to their suggestion box.......

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LET THE EVIDENCE BEGIN

by QUANTUM in

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please refer to the following.

http://farms.byu.edu/free/transcripts/index.html.

begin with daniel peterson's evidences for the book of mormon.

deddaisy

"The church's most notorious sex-related case was Joyce McKinney, a Wyoming beauty queen who, in 1978, was accused of kidnapping a 21-year-old Mormon missionary and shackling him to a bed in an attempt to become pregnant."

She must have been one strong beauty queen to kidnap and shackle a 21- year-old man to a bed! and this guy actually pressed charges?