That part about submission of women makes me boil with anger. It reminds me of my senior year of high school. I was put in quite a unique position with a JW girl. Somehow, we ended up as the only two people in school in a drama class (don't laugh, we were connected to other schools via TV, so it was a high tech drama class). Her name was Kayla. I didn't tell her my mom was a JW and my mom didn't know she was in my class. Everyone in school thought she was a freak and I have to admit that until I met her, so did I. Somehow we bonded and became close friends, and because of her and my mom I got to see the JW's from both an outsider's and an insider's point of view at the same time. I learned from Kayla that my mom's best friends whom she considered the most exemplary people on earth were closet alocholics.
She was the kind of person that was so fragile and scared of life that she seemed to be made of glass and that a strong gust of wind might knock her over and she would shatter into a million pieces. Forbidden to go to college, her parents forced her into diesel engine repair school to spend the rest of her life as a mechanic. After graduation I never saw her again. If you knew her than you knew that she had as much desire to be a mechanic as Randy Watters has to be a ballerina. What a waste.
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Convention Report - Deliverance At Hand?
by daniel-p inso i just got back from the convention - yes, feel pity on me... i had to attend all three days, spend money on a crappy hotel, sleep in a crappy town, sit on my ass for 8 hours a day, and all just to hear about the same old crap you can read in any watchtower.
i didn't take notes because not only would my head have exploded from the sheer boredom and stupidity, but i would be responsible for all your heads exploding as well.
are there any highlights?
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*** WORLD CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE TRUTH ***
by Elsewhere inif what jehover's witnesses teach is true then there must be some sort of massive world wide conspiracy of religious leaders from all faiths and religions directed against the watchtower society.
there must literally be some sort of body of religious leaders who meet on a regular basis and say: "yes, we know the watchtower society has the truth, but it is up to us to lie to and deceive the six billion people on the earth into believing what *we* teach.".
one of my favorite ways of cornering a jehover's witness is by asking him point blank if he really, seriously, believes this.
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You know, you have to hand it to the brilliant absurdity of the watchtower. Time and time again, their own
writing always comes back to bite them in the ass. They recycle the same garbage every five years and pass
it off as "spiritual food." As for the rank and file, have pity on them, for they truly know not what they
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Lots of Bethelites Not Happy With Downsizing
by Seeker4 ini had a long conversation last night with an old jw friend whose sister and brother-in-law are bethelites since the 1970s.
she is an artist, and he runs a small but important department there.. we were talking about the bethel downsizing (my friend was well aware of it), and i told him i figured his sister and b-i-l would be safe due to the fact that they are now in their 60s and have something close to 4 decades seniority.
but he said no, that they were worried that they would be asked to leave as well, sent into the circuit work or as special pioneers sent where the "need is great.".
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Hi Juni, thanks for welcoming me, everyone's been so nice to me it's so refreshing. By the way, I stand
corrected on my earlier points about the GB's age. Thanks!
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Jehovahs (Hidden) Message Revealed (Why no TV ministry?) Terry Walstrom
by Dogpatch injehovahs (hidden) message revealed
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Thanks Randy. No, the organization is too cowardly to bring their "message" to TV. I could think of at least
a dozen people who could discredit them in ten minutes (Oprah comes to mind). The American people
unfortunately have only a vague idea of JW's as eccentric, isolated do-gooders.
In response to the end of the Bethel Elders, and the Awake being cut in half, my dub mom said the society is
"pulling in their belt to prepare for the end." Can anybody tell me what the hell that means?
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Lots of Bethelites Not Happy With Downsizing
by Seeker4 ini had a long conversation last night with an old jw friend whose sister and brother-in-law are bethelites since the 1970s.
she is an artist, and he runs a small but important department there.. we were talking about the bethel downsizing (my friend was well aware of it), and i told him i figured his sister and b-i-l would be safe due to the fact that they are now in their 60s and have something close to 4 decades seniority.
but he said no, that they were worried that they would be asked to leave as well, sent into the circuit work or as special pioneers sent where the "need is great.".
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Un-believable. Notice how they never kick out old members of the governing body. Although, unless I'm
mistaken, there are only two members of the GB under the age of 90! These people being kicked out in their
60's have little or no life skills, no savings or social security, and no where to go. It is astounding that
this hypocritical "organization" still proclaims that there is no class distinctions among Jehovah's
Witnesses. But on the plus side, these people have such an extensive knowledge of the inner workings of
Bethel, and they have the potental to tell the world the ugly truth about the Watchtower. Raymond Franz
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What most surprised you about your life after leaving the ORG?
by logansrun inbeen a long time folks.
howdy.
here's a question: what has most surprised you about your life after leaving the organization?
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Champion you are so right. No one is trying to persecute JW's and they are certainly not on stage for all the world to see. EVERY time my mom and I drive past a store that's gone out of business, she triumphantly shouts:
"Satan's system is going down!"
Or every time she loses her car keys, or is late to a meeting, or someone keeps her waiting too long for any reason, she says to the "demons surrounding her keeping her from doing Jehovah's work"
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Watchtower assaults its youth fear/guilt/baptism and career July 1, 2006
by truthseeker inif we imagined for one moment that the majority of youths get baptized, then the july 1, 2006 wt paints a very different picture.
there must be a serious problem in the organization for the society to write so strong an article.
july 1, 2006 wt youths, make it your choice to serve jehovah.
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This is revolting. The WT repeats these same articles ever five or ten years. Maybe they should be spending more time eliminating child molesters. Notice how they never publish an article in any of their "literature" about helping abuse victims or stopping the problem in their own organization. This is one hell of a sales pitch for youth. Hey Kids, come to the Watchtower! As a child, you can look forward to rape from your elders, cohersion to "baptism", forget your education and become a full time pioneer! Pathetic. Where in the Bible did Jesus or any of his followers have to answer dozens of questions and spend six weeks preparing to get baptized? As for the R&F, my mother doesn't remember half of the questions they asked, yet she swears her life on the whoreganization.
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May 28--Four years since Dateline's JW sex abuse program aired. Results?
by AndersonsInfo insunday, may 28, 2006, is the fourth anniversary from when a threshold was crossed into uncharted waters.
on may 28, 2002, the u.s. television news program, dateline, publicized to millions of viewers the facts about watchtower's deceitful child abuse policies which protect pedophiles who target and molest jws' vulnerable children.
subsequently, this subject caught the interest of media throughout the world who, through careful investigation, substantiated the allegations made on dateline.
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Thank you Serendipity, I'm very glad to be here
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The Seven Thunders of Millennial Dawn!
by Atlantis indr. shadduck 1928 edition.
i retyped out a couple of pages that were weak, however, if you still need a page or section retyped, then just send me a pm.
any copyrights on this booklet would have been discontinued many years ago.
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Yes Gamaliel that does look alot like Rutherford's handwriting. This points to The Finished Mystery published in 1917 as the "postumous" works of Russell, who died in 1916. Am I the only one who finds that whole thing very suspicious? Russell died and Rutherford assumed command against his wishes, and proceeds to make many changes that Russell never wanted, and of course you all know what happened next. That sounds like Rutherford had been planning his actions for a long time beforehand. As for Russell's death, it has always seemed a little ambiguous to me, like too much of a coincidence. But I'm probably wrong.
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May 28--Four years since Dateline's JW sex abuse program aired. Results?
by AndersonsInfo insunday, may 28, 2006, is the fourth anniversary from when a threshold was crossed into uncharted waters.
on may 28, 2002, the u.s. television news program, dateline, publicized to millions of viewers the facts about watchtower's deceitful child abuse policies which protect pedophiles who target and molest jws' vulnerable children.
subsequently, this subject caught the interest of media throughout the world who, through careful investigation, substantiated the allegations made on dateline.
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Thank you Babera for reminding us about Dateline. I absolutely agree that the WT is an organization of whitewashed graves, however, I don't believe any of this will lead to actual policy change. The society might reach a point where they give the appearance of a policy change to the public. They'll proclaim that they have "changed," they will nod their heads and wag their tails, and the rank and file will be plugged back into the hive. But at least the seeds of doubt will be planted. I don't mean to rant, but I honestly believe that some of the people I have read about on Free Minds and the posters on JWD are some of the most intelligent, insightful and funny people I have ever heard. I particularly admire when people point to the Bible. I believe the best way to make change is to demonstrate by our own examlple. The Watchtower's greatest fear is the genuine love we have amongst eachother. We can prove them wrong without opening a single magazine. We can show them that true christanity needs no organization, hence we are not the mindless, soul-sucking aposates they think we are.