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  Blood Doctrine - JW please answer

  by golden age in

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  2. beliefs

  why are jws so against blood transfustions, do they not see that this is exactly the oppositie of what jesus taught.

  jesus taught that healing was allowed on the sabath, even though if violated the rule of not working on the sabath, he was teaching that in the event of an emergency life is more important than the law.

  how would a jw feel if a loved one died and then 2 months later the wt said new light told them that transfusions are ok. (do not say this will not happen, becasue they originally said vaccinations were a direct violation of the everlasting covenant with god and must be avoided, now they say vaccines are good.

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  above learntoswim has claimed that working on the sabath was a law made by man and not God and jesus was mocking the pharases by not following it. However this is not true the law of not working on the sabath was from God himself.

  oh for goodness sake i didn't say that not working on the sabbath day was a law made by man, i said not healing on the sabbath was a law made by man, read it again, i said:

  the law you refer to, that of not healing on the sabbath was a man made rule. The Jewish religious leaders had made tons of arbitrary rules that were based on nothing more than the tradition of man. So by breaking the law, Jesus was simply defying the Pharisees and their man made traditions, not breaking Gods law because of an emergency.

  I fully agree that working on the sabbath day is against the Mosaic law, its in the bible for all to see as you pointed out. But that didn't rule out doing anything at all. In fact the priests were to continue their duties even on a sabbath day. Jesus recognised the spirit of the sabbath law.

  And when I said he was defying the Pharisses i didn't mean he was doing it to actually mock them. I meant it seems that he did it because he wanted to heal the man, regardless of what their thoughts on the matter were, rather than doing it because it was an emergency (in fact was it even an emergency? is the event you refer to the time when he approached a man who had been ill for 38 years?).
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  Blood Doctrine - JW please answer

  by golden age in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are jws so against blood transfustions, do they not see that this is exactly the oppositie of what jesus taught.

  jesus taught that healing was allowed on the sabath, even though if violated the rule of not working on the sabath, he was teaching that in the event of an emergency life is more important than the law.

  how would a jw feel if a loved one died and then 2 months later the wt said new light told them that transfusions are ok. (do not say this will not happen, becasue they originally said vaccinations were a direct violation of the everlasting covenant with god and must be avoided, now they say vaccines are good.

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  In resposnse to that argument that some one posted earlier on how they would respond, if you read the verse prior to that in mathew 16:24 jesus says take up your cross and follow me, by saying this supports the jw position is wrong because following jesus would be, as i said in the first post, to not let a law override the importance of life just as he did with the sabath rule

  the law you refer to, that of not healing on the sabbath was a man made rule. The Jewish religious leaders had made tons of arbitrary rules that were based on nothing more than the tradition of man. So by breaking the law, Jesus was simply defying the Pharisees and their man made traditions, not breaking Gods law because of an emergency.
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  Blood Doctrine - JW please answer

  by golden age in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why are jws so against blood transfustions, do they not see that this is exactly the oppositie of what jesus taught.

  jesus taught that healing was allowed on the sabath, even though if violated the rule of not working on the sabath, he was teaching that in the event of an emergency life is more important than the law.

  how would a jw feel if a loved one died and then 2 months later the wt said new light told them that transfusions are ok. (do not say this will not happen, becasue they originally said vaccinations were a direct violation of the everlasting covenant with god and must be avoided, now they say vaccines are good.

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  learntoswim

  this is exactly the oppositie of what jesus taught. Jesus taught that healing was allowed on the sabath, even though if violated the rule of not working on the sabath, he was teaching that in the event of an emergency life is more important than the law

  Well I think they would quote the following, where Jesus explains that following him means placing the value of our life below what he requires of us.

  (Matthew 16:25) 25

  For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. . .
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  Do you think a JW childhood is abusive?

  by Konrad West in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a long discussion the other day with my new flatmate, who it turns out has studied with jws and thinks they're wonderful, about my view that being raised a jw is psychologically abusive.

  being indoctrinated with the concept of jehovah killing people who don't do what he says and being scared of losing your friends and family if disobedient is, in my view, a very unhealthy thing for a child.

  any thoughts?

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  Being indoctrinated with the concept of Jehovah killing people who don't do what he says and being scared of losing your friends and family if disobedient is, in my view, a very unhealthy thing for a child.

  Only if its not true. If it is true then it would be abusive not to indoctrintate!
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  Interesting thought on the importance of the name Jehovah.

  by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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  2. bible

  first off, i did not write this.

  i found it on the net.

  i think this guy made an interesting point.

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  This agency for passing on the Divine Name and its exact pronunciation, according to JWs, would be that “faithful and discreet slave” class which has come down through history in an unbroken chain right up to modern times.

  well surely the JWs don't say the F&DS have come down through history in an unbroken chain from Jesus time to now. Don't they say they were appointed as such in 1919 when Jesus appointed them as "Master over his belongings"? until then, there was no F&DS according to the WTS understanding.
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  I _feel_ rational, so why am I still afraid?

  by under_believer in

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  2. friends

  i am at a point in my doubt and recovery process where i feel almost completely agnostic.

  i am an empiricist; evidence required, please!

  ) of what i was taught as a witness has been discarded.

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  learntoswim

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  Well what were they singing about?
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  I've had it. I want to DA myself

  by White Waves in

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  2. friends

  but i am afraid to send a letter to my old kh.

  what should i write to make sure they don't just df me?

  also, they refused my request to da myself before.

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  If you want to make sure you're DAd and not DFd,......

  Like unique1 said, its one and the same nowadays, the new OM book says the exact same announment is given in both instances, and its the same as being DF'd. There's no difference in the announcement or the way you'd be treated by members of the organisation.
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  I _feel_ rational, so why am I still afraid?

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am at a point in my doubt and recovery process where i feel almost completely agnostic.

  i am an empiricist; evidence required, please!

  ) of what i was taught as a witness has been discarded.

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  learntoswim

  I thought you might say that! I havent lived in the past so i couldn't say. my point was, thats why I personally have reason to believe it maybe the truth, was wondering if it was the same with you. When you look behind the scenes at what is happening, it fits in with the WTS teachings. but as you say, was it any different? after all history books and statistics don't tell the whole story.
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  Los testigos de Jehová una amenaza al marco social familiar

  by nandokano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hola amigos,.

  se a traducido un articulo del ingles al espanol.

  el articulo es de victor escalante .

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  learntoswim

  Hello friends, To translated I articulate of ingles the Spanish. I articulate is of Victor Escalante "the witnesses of Jehovah a threat to the familiar social frame" Podeis to read it in http://www.fcc.org.es

  Thanks for that!
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  Los testigos de Jehová una amenaza al marco social familiar

  by nandokano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hola amigos,.

  se a traducido un articulo del ingles al espanol.

  el articulo es de victor escalante .

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  learntoswim

  i know you're gonna bash me but what happened to not posting in a language most can't understand??

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