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  were you forced to join the (misery ) ministry school?

  by headmath in

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  maybe you have some fond stories of this.. my story is that i was forced to join when i was about 12. i always got an assignment that dealt with beastilaity in exodus or somethin.

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  under_believer

  Joined at 7 years of age. I loved it, because I was an attention and approval whore. Once I had kids it got a lot harder, but I still enjoyed giving talks because I was good at it. In the last couple of years it has gotten very difficult because it frequently requires me to be a hypocrite. I'm thinking of asking that they only assign me Bible Readings from here on out, because that doesn't involve interpretation or expounding on a topic.
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  Are there still things that were witness no-no's that you refrain from?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  for me, after decades as a witness there are quite a few i suppose.

  this thread was inspired by min's thread about sex and our attitudes now as opposed to when we were witnesses.. one thing that i have never done - and it might seem somewhat trivial to many - i have never, not once, in my entire life uttered the f word.

  i always found it to be utterly vulgar - and i still do.

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  under_believer

  I assume this only applies to things that are unique to Witnesses.
  I still consider nationalism to be poison, and will not salute the flag or stand for the National Anthem.
  Other than that? All the other unique Witness stuff... holidays, blood ban, etc... none of that is verboten for me any longer.
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  qualities

  by John Doe in

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  2. friends

  in your opinion, what is the most important quality a person can have?

  i'm speaking of any type of relationship or aquaintence.

  lets see, honesty?

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  under_believer

  No, there is no single quality that alone makes a person worth knowing.
  I value honesty as a personal characteristic more than any other, but as you rightly point out, naked honesty without temperance or compassion can be a negative trait.
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  This is it; I'm done!!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. experiences

  yes, you heard me correctly.

  i was born in jw land.

  i didnt do the fade i didnt have to.

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  under_believer

  jwfacts, you can watch/download the movie "Witnesses of Jehovah" at Google Video.
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  When you were a JW true believer, what were you most afraid of?

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been pretty well established that all religions use fear as a motivator, to some degree.

  the jw's have honed this practice to a near art form.

  what were you most afraid of when you were a jw?

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  under_believer

  Welcome to the board, puck. I have a suspicion that I know who you are. :)
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  a fly on the wall

  by Lady Lee in

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  if you could be a fly on the wall at any time in history up to the present - which conversations would you like to have listened to?.

  you don't have to list only one.. i'll be back after i finish burning supper to list my own.

  lee

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  under_believer

  Anything Jesus-related, because I have this sneaking suspicion things didn't go down quite like is written in the Gospels.
  Would love to hear Einstein speaking.
  Hefner's bedroom at the Playboy Mansion, back in the 60's and 70's.
  Some certain events from my own past.
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  1st post here, on a journey of discovery...

  by kerc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so after a very, very slow process, thinking over things that were stored in a little box in a corner of my mind, i've decided to finally confirm or deny all the doubts i've had about the society.

  i'm a 34 year-old married man, work as an it consultant, with two kids, ages 9 and 2. i was "born" in the organization.

  so i took everything as true, never questioned anything, and did all that was asked from me.

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  under_believer

  It's a day for first posters, it seems. Welcome to the board. Your situation is similar to mine, only you're much farther along the fading track than I am. Perhaps you can, if time allows someday, post your experiences on how you faded successfully.
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  FIRE!!!

  by Mulan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of our son's house burned down last night.

  they are all fine.

  his wife heard something in a skylight she said, and got up, called to steve and he found the roof engulfed in flames.

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  under_believer

  It's possible that the data on the computer is salveagable even if the computer itself isn't. Definitely have someone who knows what they're about pull the hard drive and hook it up and see if they can get anything off, especially if there were a lot of digital pictures on there.
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  Things JW's say: "If I wasn't raised in, I would never have come in."

  by under_believer in

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  every once in a while i hear a jw say "if i hadn't been raised in the truth, i never would have come into the truth.

  " have you ever heard that?

  wishful thinking?

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  under_believer

  I suppose it wasn't fair of me to throw the question out and not answer it myself. I never, ever, ever would have become a Witness if my parents hadn't raised me in it.
  For starters, there are logistics problems. I instantly turn away anybody I don't know who calls on my house unsolicited, calls me on the phone unsolicited, or for that matter even tries to start a conversation with me in public.
  Secondly, the kind of escapism necessary to look at those pictures of paradise and a) believe they are a real possibility and b) actually want to live there is completely outside of my thought process. Anybody who says they know all the answers is automatically held in deep suspicion by me.
  Thirdly, even assuming the first two problems could be surmounted, once I realized how they take all of those prophecies and say it's talking about them personally? Come ON... Do they even know how that looks?
  And lastly, I am a bit of a hedonist. I love sex, food, alcohol, travel, playing with children, playing with adults, gardening, etc... all the stuff that is either sinful or should be enjoyed in a "balanced" manner, balanced with repetetive study, meeting attendance, door to door work. That would have been a really tough sell with me.
  Only, I WAS raised in it, and now I'm in a trap of sorts. Bugger.
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  WHAT WAS YOUR FAVOURITE/WORST STUDY BOOK?

  by badboy in

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  2. friends

  which ones did you hate and which ones did you like out of the study books?

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  under_believer

  lovelylil, this is the updated version from the new Teacher book:
  

  *** lr chap. 32 p. 171 How Jesus Was Protected ***
  
  Do you know what they may do to get pleasure for themselves?— Well, they may try to rub your sex organs. Or they will even rub their sex organs against yours. But you should never let anybody play with your penis or vulva. Not even your own brother or sister or your mother or father. These parts of your body are private.

  As far as the worst and best study books, everyone has already said it, but I'm in agreement. Anything having to do with prophecy at all was bad, but the Revelation book and the Isaiah books are completely detestable--vile, poisonous garbage. Vomit.

  The Greatest Man book was okay since it was mainly out of the Gospels. Not much you can do to screw up the Gospels (though they definitely try.)