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  "That I may make a reply to him that is taunting me"

  by under_believer in

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  so for our "congregation book study", we are still deeply mired in the bible teach book.

  this week's lesson talks about the whole idea that the book of job relates the central issue of the entire cosmos, a vital issue raised by satan, where satan questions whether humans follow god because of what they are given, or because he deserves it.

  i'm surprised that the book of job, obviously archetypal and figurative (for example, i doubt people back then literally spoke for hours in hebrew verse, and i doubt that four messengers showed up all in a row with stories telling that they, only they, got away to tell of a disaster) even has a place in the canon; aside from its lack of any specific historical position or accuracy, the argument it advances (especially as the society interprets it) is facile: the idea that privileged, wealthy, powerful job somehow stands as a representative for all humanity and serves as a litmus test for man's interaction with god is downright silly.

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  "That I may make a reply to him that is taunting me"

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so for our "congregation book study", we are still deeply mired in the bible teach book.

  this week's lesson talks about the whole idea that the book of job relates the central issue of the entire cosmos, a vital issue raised by satan, where satan questions whether humans follow god because of what they are given, or because he deserves it.

  i'm surprised that the book of job, obviously archetypal and figurative (for example, i doubt people back then literally spoke for hours in hebrew verse, and i doubt that four messengers showed up all in a row with stories telling that they, only they, got away to tell of a disaster) even has a place in the canon; aside from its lack of any specific historical position or accuracy, the argument it advances (especially as the society interprets it) is facile: the idea that privileged, wealthy, powerful job somehow stands as a representative for all humanity and serves as a litmus test for man's interaction with god is downright silly.

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  sir82, I think this is someone else. THAT guy thought he was Jesus. This guy is saying he's the FDS.
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  The Faithful and Discreet Slave is posting on JWD

  by under_believer in

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  see for yourself.

  how do we know that he's the faithful and discreet slave?

  same way we know that the governing body represents the faithful and discreet slave: because he says so.

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  I engaged with him at first because I thought that he was a JW apologist. If I'd known he was either a fruitcake or a prankster (not sure which) I would have ignored him.
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  The Faithful and Discreet Slave is posting on JWD

  by under_believer in

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  see for yourself.

  how do we know that he's the faithful and discreet slave?

  same way we know that the governing body represents the faithful and discreet slave: because he says so.

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  I'm just pissed that he hijacked my thread and filled it with mealymouthed woo. I almost think a moderator action is called for.
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  The Faithful and Discreet Slave is posting on JWD

  by under_believer in

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  see for yourself.

  how do we know that he's the faithful and discreet slave?

  same way we know that the governing body represents the faithful and discreet slave: because he says so.

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  under_believer

  See for yourself. How do we know that he's the Faithful and Discreet Slave? Same way we know that the Governing Body represents the Faithful and Discreet slave: because he says so.
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  "That I may make a reply to him that is taunting me"

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so for our "congregation book study", we are still deeply mired in the bible teach book.

  this week's lesson talks about the whole idea that the book of job relates the central issue of the entire cosmos, a vital issue raised by satan, where satan questions whether humans follow god because of what they are given, or because he deserves it.

  i'm surprised that the book of job, obviously archetypal and figurative (for example, i doubt people back then literally spoke for hours in hebrew verse, and i doubt that four messengers showed up all in a row with stories telling that they, only they, got away to tell of a disaster) even has a place in the canon; aside from its lack of any specific historical position or accuracy, the argument it advances (especially as the society interprets it) is facile: the idea that privileged, wealthy, powerful job somehow stands as a representative for all humanity and serves as a litmus test for man's interaction with god is downright silly.

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  Mr. E, I am disappointed that you hijacked my thread in this way. I never expected to have someone declaring that they themselves were the faithful and discreet slave in this discussion. This is very poor forum etiquette on your part.
  
  As AlanF said, you make slippery, sweeping generalizations, full of gibberish, without any scriptural citations or proof. It's impossible to respond to these statements.
  
  As far as your claim that you are the fulfillment of prophecy, sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.
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  "That I may make a reply to him that is taunting me"

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so for our "congregation book study", we are still deeply mired in the bible teach book.

  this week's lesson talks about the whole idea that the book of job relates the central issue of the entire cosmos, a vital issue raised by satan, where satan questions whether humans follow god because of what they are given, or because he deserves it.

  i'm surprised that the book of job, obviously archetypal and figurative (for example, i doubt people back then literally spoke for hours in hebrew verse, and i doubt that four messengers showed up all in a row with stories telling that they, only they, got away to tell of a disaster) even has a place in the canon; aside from its lack of any specific historical position or accuracy, the argument it advances (especially as the society interprets it) is facile: the idea that privileged, wealthy, powerful job somehow stands as a representative for all humanity and serves as a litmus test for man's interaction with god is downright silly.

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  Well, let's start with
  
  > Those in the heaven are higher in intelligence so Jah had to hide the meaning of all scriptures until Jesus Christ reveals them to us all.
  
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  > He is telling you through me, and will tell you in Person Himself, when all words have been fulfilled by the Law of the Prophets.
  
  I think that will illustrate my point nicely.
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  "That I may make a reply to him that is taunting me"

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so for our "congregation book study", we are still deeply mired in the bible teach book.

  this week's lesson talks about the whole idea that the book of job relates the central issue of the entire cosmos, a vital issue raised by satan, where satan questions whether humans follow god because of what they are given, or because he deserves it.

  i'm surprised that the book of job, obviously archetypal and figurative (for example, i doubt people back then literally spoke for hours in hebrew verse, and i doubt that four messengers showed up all in a row with stories telling that they, only they, got away to tell of a disaster) even has a place in the canon; aside from its lack of any specific historical position or accuracy, the argument it advances (especially as the society interprets it) is facile: the idea that privileged, wealthy, powerful job somehow stands as a representative for all humanity and serves as a litmus test for man's interaction with god is downright silly.

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  Mr. E, your theories are interesting, but unless you can back them up with actual proof instead of mere assertion, they will simply remain interesting opinions.
  
  Even the Watchtower Society is better at proving their claims than what you've demonstrated so far.
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  I have joined the RV world!

  by free2beme in

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  i have forever made fun of all those people in their rv's.

  they never could enjoy camping, when they spent their whole time in an rv.

  then a couple years ago, i went on a road trip with some friends and we road in their rv as we went there.

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  You're a return visit now?
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  Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??

  by Seeker4 in

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  i'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).

  and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.

  people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!

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  This thread is all kinds of crazy. S4, I salute you for lighting this fuse. I suspect this is beyond your wildest dreams.