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  did russell coin the phrase "in the truth"

  by headmath in

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  as in the context such as :.

  is he/she in the truth?.

  i just hate that miserable hyrocritical phrase.

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  under_believer

  Nor did Witnesses invent the term, they just borrowed it.

  

  and...

  http://www.nd.edu/~ndethics/events/fallconfs/jitt.shtml

  ...and from http://www.adrian.warnock.info/2006/06/mlj-monday-speaking-truth-in-love-t4g.htm
  

  The Greek word means ‘professing’, so we may translate the phrase, ‘professing the truth in love’. Many have urged that a very literal translation, though it is not a pleasant one, is ‘truthing’ — ‘but truthing in love’. What the expression conveys is that we are ‘in the truth’ and that we are ‘walking in the truth’. Perhaps the best translation of all would be ‘having or holding the truth in love’.
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  How intelligent can a 2 yr old talk (past lives)

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i'm putting this a s a seperate topic because it is taking up too much space in anthoer topic.. inq quoted this experience:one young 2-year old in oklahoma, insisted that his name was jimmy but each time he would be told no, it is jeremy.

  jeremy saw a picture of a wagon in a book and told his grandmother, the wagon hit me.

  i was dead and i was angry with the man who drove the wagon.

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  Lady Lee, I claim that my children both spoke at least that well at 2. In fact, they were both speaking in complete sentences at 18 months. My son's first purposeful speech was at 9 months.
  I do not believe this constitutes proof of reincarnation, but there is no denying that some 2 year olds speak in a very sophisticated manner.
  Also, early verbal development and acuity is not necessarily a predictor of high intelligence, as evidenced by Einstein and others who had a verbal language delay but were highly intelligent. One should not guage a child's intelligence by their speech development.
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  How intelligent can a 2 yr old talk (past lives)

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i'm putting this a s a seperate topic because it is taking up too much space in anthoer topic.. inq quoted this experience:one young 2-year old in oklahoma, insisted that his name was jimmy but each time he would be told no, it is jeremy.

  jeremy saw a picture of a wagon in a book and told his grandmother, the wagon hit me.

  i was dead and i was angry with the man who drove the wagon.

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  Reincarnation and past lives are totally unprovable.
  I can think of a multitude of other, simpler explanations for that child's behavior that don't require belief in woo. My kids both talked that well when they were 2 and occasionally got confused about their names.
  I'm shaking of the bonds of one superstitious, unproveable belief system. I'd prefer not to jump right back into a different one just a few months later.
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  Golden Age Goodies

  by Leolaia in

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  recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

  i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

  hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

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  under_believer

  That's Franz's M.O. in a nutshell, always has been:

  you proles would never have found out about <insert unoriginal belief that many other Christian cults have adopted over the centuries here> if it wasn't for US! The antitypical <insert Biblical servant of Jehovah here> class!
  
  In this case, it's the usage and understanding of the name Jehovah (not unique) and the "Moses" class.

  Other vintage Franz:

  • speaking authoritatively on subjects which he is not authoritative on, like Bible translation
  • Use of assumptive language, like "no doubt", "evidently", and "unquestionably"
  • The automatic assumption that whatever is going on RIGHT NOW, THIS SECOND among Witnesses is a fulfillment of THIS EXACT SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE

  That heratige is still with Witnesses to this day, though I don't believe anybody exists at Brooklyn anymore that has the degree of intellectual dishonesty and chutzpah necessary to generate anything new. Franz' legacy lives on and what we see coming out of Brooklyn today is just recycled Franz teachings.
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  Just saw SUPERMAN!!!!!!

  by Dune in

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  i looked through active topics so i hope noone else posted about it (sorry if someone did).

  anyway, incredibly good movie.

  the first trailer was awesome, but the second trailer kinda turned me off, but the movie was extremely well done(the guy who directed x-men 2, directed this movie, so not surprised).

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  Took me a second to figure out you were talking about District Convention when you mentioned "DC" in a post about Superman. I was thinking "well yeah he sure doesn't have the Marvel..."
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  "The Wedge" or a wedgie for evolutionist?

  by Deputy Dog in

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  "the wedge" or a wedgie for evolutionist?

  on a resent thread (the origin-of-life foundation, inc. the secret $1,000,000 prize) the question was asked: why would the origin-of-life foundation, inc. want "to keep the project as quiet as possible within the scientific community"?

  abaddon said:

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  under_believer

  See also: Appeal to authority.
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  Overheard: the Witnesses I know react to the Cano incident

  by under_believer in

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  presented for your perusal, horror, and edification.

  i take no responsibility for these statements--they are the verbatim comments of people that i know.

  i find my wife's comment heartening, since it implies that she knows that elders are not necessarily spirit-directed.

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  under_believer

  These are people who I have the means to contact casually throughout my workday. I copied the links to them. Just doin' my part to spread the Kingdom News.
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  Golden Age Goodies

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  recently i had the pleasure to examine a stash of 1920s and 1930s golden age magazines, among the rarest of watchtower publications.

  i thought it would be a fun idea to have a thread in which i share with you some of the amazing, ridiculous, hilarious things contained therein.

  hence, this is the first post of a series of excerpts, scans, etc.

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  under_believer

  Ummm.... Isn't "Jahwist" just "J", one of the hypothesized literary sources of the Torah?
  The word is used in that citation to refer to people who support the pronunciation "Jahweh." WTF?
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  Overheard: the Witnesses I know react to the Cano incident

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  presented for your perusal, horror, and edification.

  i take no responsibility for these statements--they are the verbatim comments of people that i know.

  i find my wife's comment heartening, since it implies that she knows that elders are not necessarily spirit-directed.

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  under_believer

  Presented for your perusal, horror, and edification. I take no responsibility for these statements--they are the verbatim comments of people that I know. I find my wife's comment heartening, since it implies that she knows that elders are not necessarily spirit-directed. The others... I'm not so sure.
  

  My wife:

  "It just totally shows you have to be careful with your children and actually ignore titles."

  A completely inactive but still totally believing Witness friend:

  "Perhaps he left Jehovah and this is what he did with his free will. This guy just proves the point that the once saved always saved is bs. People are imperfect and all the CO has to go on for appointments is the limited contact he has with the appointee and the word of the cong elders. You don't want to allow yourself to be stumbled because of others."

  An active Witness ministerial servant in a Spanish congregation:

  "What a sap. 'Would you like to read the latest mags or maybe pics of your kid's naked butt?' You can never tell what lurks in the secret parts of peoples minds. Strange, caustic things a-brewin'."
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  Governing Body Trolles Make up one!!

  by frankiespeakin in

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  if you were ted jararczzz or some other gb member and you want to troll the jwd board,,, name some troll thread you'd start.

  little imagination.

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  under_believer

  A troll thread? If the purpose of the thread was *SPECIFICALLY* trolling, then the best, most evil thing I could come up with would be
  "Victims" Of Sex Abuse Are Getting What They Deserve
  That would really stir up a lot of people, including me.