oh, so in the midst of everything else, college is goin well.. about 30 % of my high school graduating class came here, so its really just like high school part2.
i have 2 morning classes, and 2 night classes, so that way the majority of my schooling gets done on 2 days of the week instead of 4. last night was my first night in my english 111 class.
i already knew thaqt there was one witness in there, but its someone who i've kept up with, and someone who is cool with me, as i am.
It would be a far greater victory to let her see through your eyes than to close hers. I myself would be tempted to snub her the way some of you have been snubbed, but it would be even more satisfying to make her doubt herself and whatever teachings she knows.
Let us know how it turns out. And good luck with your panache.
The Elder pulls out a magazine w/o looking and turns to young people ask ....".Whats so wrong with MASTuRBATION ? "..........(.I hid behind him laughing my *** off .)The poor kid looked at him stunned........... When we got back to the car he laughed too and said it would teach him to read his magazines first .
Now that is simply hilarious.
after alot of time, lurking, fighting this damn inward battle i am dealing with, i've decided to join in the mix.
a little about me (i'll try not to bore you to much) ... i am a fader.
was raised jw, was even a m.s.
Welcome, In Between. I'm a new guy too just like you.
I find your comments about comparing yourself to Anakin quite thought provoking. I myself have recently felt a lot like him, comparing my thoughts and actions to him, without consciously knowing why. Reading your post has been an insight for me, as I think I've been enlightened.
Joining these forums is a good first step to cope with your sad experience.
What is the Society's view on sex?
If it's truly enjoyable, it's probably wrong.
greetings all.. let me first introduce myself.
i am a current active jw.
i know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by wt definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble.
"Ask them if they mind if you get married on the same day that you get baptised."
greetings all.. let me first introduce myself.
i am a current active jw.
i know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by wt definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble.
Thanks all of you for your advice, i really appreciate it.
You are right that I have doubts about baptism, because I have doubts about the org. It was mentioned to the elders by my parents that I was interested in baptism; I thought, "why not?" at the time. It was only after that I decided to research on my own that I've found stuff that I can't resolve.
Serendipity: Hmm, I didn't know they treated DF'd and disapproved ones differently. I always assumed all, whether unbaptized or not were treated as if they were DF'd. I will think about what you said.
I agree too that discussing too many things will be highly suspicious, and I think asking too many qns could be judged as fault finding, thanks yesidid for pointing that out to me.
I think I will do my best to delay baptism. I'm too logical to blindly accept anything.
Also, I think it's extremely ironic that some of you here do not straight out criticise baptism, even encouraging me to go with it if I feel it is right. I cannot imagine any JW telling me it is okay to leave the org if I feel it is right. Thanks again.
greetings all.. let me first introduce myself.
i am a current active jw.
i know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by wt definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble.
Thanks for the reply. What you said about them turning the questioning back to them, that's something I didn't think of. Gotta think about that. And as for being treated fairly and respectfully, I hope so too. I've read many bad experiences of people here being visited by elders, and some have been really harshly treated. Of course, to say all elders are bad is definitely wrong.
greetings all.. let me first introduce myself.
i am a current active jw.
i know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by wt definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble.
Greetings all.
Let me first introduce myself. I am a current active JW. I know full well that being a member on these forums, reading and posting constitute "bad association" by WT definitions, which can land me in quite a bit of trouble. I have spent about a month lurking here and reading threads intensively and getting to know about some of the major posters here, following a decision to do some independant research because of some doubts that I couldn't address on my own. I find these forums to be a breath of fresh air with an amazing amount of information.
A little more personally, I am a young guy living in Asia. I'm also technically a minor. That's as much as I'm willing to say. This might make some of you suspicious, but I have good reasons: my government officially bans the WT entirely, making posession of any WT literature an offense punishable by law. Also, I do not plan on getting thrown out of the WT just yet, because there are some in my family who are witnesses, and I have no intention of forcing them to shun me. I know that despite my secrecy, there are ways to find out just where I am generally.
Now to the point of my post
As is obvious from the topic, I have a sheperding call coming in a few days time. It will be handled by 2 elders whom I know personally, regarding my possible baptism soon. While this might be a major discussion point, it isn't why I am asking for advice.
I guess that the elders will be going through the Organized book with me, along with the questions on doctrine. What I want to do is to discuss some of the controversial issues I picked up here with them and hope to get straight answers (middle fingers do not count).
Here's a quick list of my potential discussion points:
-What it means to be spiritually sick
-Rape, is it a DF offence? Have people been wrongly DF'd?
-The topic of disfellowshipping in general, how truly loving, etc
-Disassociation by actions, is it possible? How?
-Blood, animal blood, just what is the real stance on eating animal blood?
-Organ transplants
-How can changes in policies which have directly affected the lives and mortality of faithful JWs (change in stance on blood, etc) be justified by the FDS?
-Are the baptism qn's legally binding statements? If so, how can minors make such a statement when they are required by law to be above a certain age?
-Sex education
I'm not looking for the answers to these questions here. I know the answers to some, if not most of these questions. The point here is to know how they deal with such questions and how they answer them, if at all.
Will the elders be receptive of my desire to discuss?
What are some ways where I can phrase my questions such that they cannot possibly construe it as fault finding or criticising the FDS, which is enough to get me reproved, or whatever it's called?
Are there any other issues you would like me to add in my "questionings"?
I already have a good idea of how to phrase my points to be as subtle as possible, and I can definitely act. I would have spent more time myself thinking and planning, but the elders insisted that my SC be this week, so I've decided to cut short my lurking and step into the light. Also, I hope I don't come across as too stiff, formal, or cold. I'm really a humorous and lighthearted person in real life, but right now I need to be serious and to the point.
