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PRIVATE VIEWS PUBLICLY EXPOSED

by Derrick in

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a regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-jehovah's witness from norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy.

i even recall him becoming outraged on h2o a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any jehovah's witness who confided in him.. .

alanf | greg stafford's new book has shipped | apr 7, 2002 05:28. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3.

Derrick

Prisca, thanks. I share your sentiments. I keep trying to remember that Kent is as much a victim of a dark period under the misguided leadership in the Jehovah's Witnesses history as the next JW whose spirituality has been mortally wounded.

Usually the one who is the angriest, is the one who suffered the most (emotional abuse). The more I read between the lines of the Watchtower's own literature, the more I'm beginning to understand what drove Kent, Jan and others to deny Jehovah's existence and consider Him to be no better than an angry Hawaiian Tikki god. I'm starting to think the present leaders of the Watchtower and some in Writing are responsible for the growing number of JWs who abandon all hope. Those at the very pinacle of the organization appear to me to have fallen into a very cynical mindset about the God about whom they preach.

Prisca, I really wouldn't be surprised if it turns out some of these "brothers" at the highest pinacles of the Watchtower are atheists at heart! Seriously! Something has caused them to stumble, perhaps seeing firsthand the failure of the organization to bear the "fruits" that Christ said would mark the true faith. Perhaps they are so angry inside, they are trying to make worshipping Jehovah as burdensome as possible to everyone who wants to remain a JW in good standing (as evidenced by the growing morale problems, as if each week's Watchtower study is spiritually poisoning people, and driving the cynically-termed "publishers" closer to the edge of leaving).

I hope you and your family are doing well in "the land of Oz"!

As for this topic, I have taken the matter private, and have decided to comment no further on this particular topic. I believe that dropping a matter that AlanF carelessly commented on is in the best interests of those who might otherwise have to endure what I consider social terrorism by a few treacherous and ruthless huntas presently in charge of a certain Organization.

However, I can be reached at the email address link in this post. (To those who got late replies, I'm trying to get into a habit of checking my email more frequently, sorry!)

All the best to you and yours,

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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PRIVATE VIEWS PUBLICLY EXPOSED

by Derrick in

jw
friends

a regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-jehovah's witness from norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy.

i even recall him becoming outraged on h2o a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any jehovah's witness who confided in him.. .

alanf | greg stafford's new book has shipped | apr 7, 2002 05:28. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3.

Derrick

Alan, I'm not going to get diverted by the 20 questions routine. I will just keep repeating:

Why did you say in a recent post, "WHY is an elder at risk of getting DF'd because his private email was posted?"

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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PRIVATE VIEWS PUBLICLY EXPOSED

by Derrick in

jw
friends

a regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-jehovah's witness from norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy.

i even recall him becoming outraged on h2o a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any jehovah's witness who confided in him.. .

alanf | greg stafford's new book has shipped | apr 7, 2002 05:28. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3.

Derrick

You should have taken the problem to Randy and Kent privately before plastering it all over the net and embarrassing yourself.

Your advice makes no sense. I didn't plaster it "all over the net" but on this board, and I simply QUOTED AlanF's words from the original post's link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3

In my response to this link, I expressed my opinion about AlanF's comments about Kent and Randy.

However, I offered nothing new about Kent or Randy. Rather, I quoted AlanF who did say something about them.

I personally refuse to believe what AlanF said about Randy inparticular, or perhaps he neglected to mention that Randy had specific permission to post that correspondence. As for Kent, well, I wouldn't put what AlanF seems to have said passed him. ;-)

All Alan has to do is explain what he meant. People post all the time asking for clarification on someone's post, and expressing their opinion about the post.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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PRIVATE VIEWS PUBLICLY EXPOSED

by Derrick in

jw
friends

a regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-jehovah's witness from norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy.

i even recall him becoming outraged on h2o a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any jehovah's witness who confided in him.. .

alanf | greg stafford's new book has shipped | apr 7, 2002 05:28. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3.

Derrick

Alan, I simply quoted your own words. Why do you refuse to reply?

AGAIN: Why did you publicly post these words on Simon's board:

"Several months ago Randy Watters and Kent Steinhaug published a bunch of correspondence on the blood issue between an elder named Jensen and the Society, where Jensen pretty clearly disagreed with the Society's blood policy. Does anyone know if Jensen was disfellowshipped for having his private views publicly exposed?"

Since you publicly posted that Kent and Randy might have gotten an elder DF'd, I want to know why?

In my original post, I originally wanted to know, based on your above public statement: WHY is an elder at risk of getting DF'd because his private email was posted?

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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PRIVATE VIEWS PUBLICLY EXPOSED

by Derrick in

jw
friends

a regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-jehovah's witness from norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy.

i even recall him becoming outraged on h2o a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any jehovah's witness who confided in him.. .

alanf | greg stafford's new book has shipped | apr 7, 2002 05:28. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3.

Derrick

A regular poster revealed how an elder confided in an ex-Jehovah's Witness from Norway who in the past has always insisted he is trustworthy. I even recall him becoming outraged on H2O a year or two ago at the mere suggestion that he would turn a trusted private email correspondence into public fodder, or "out" any Jehovah's Witness who confided in him.

AlanF | Greg Stafford's New Book Has Shipped | Apr 7, 2002 05:28
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25201&site=3
AlanF wrote:
This brings to mind another situation. Several months ago Randy Watters and Kent Steinhaug published a bunch of correspondence on the blood issue between an elder named Jensen and the Society, where Jensen pretty clearly disagreed with the Society's blood policy. Does anyone know if Jensen was disfellowshipped for having his private views publicly exposed? Usually if the divergent views of a JW become known to the JW community, they're immediately brought before a committee, even if the person had no intention of not keeping them private. And knowing how fanatically anal the Society can be, it wouldn't surprise me if they went after Jensen and accused him of any number of nefarious activities.

Need I say more?

This reiterates what I have been "preaching to the choir" all along. WHY WOULD ANYBODY CONFIDE IN INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL SIMPLY EXPOSE THEIR PRIVATE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE and "out" their identities? Family men (like perhaps this elder?) are at the greatest risk, because many with wives and kids simply cannot afford the social consequences of getting disfellowshipped.

Thank you Alan for having the courage to expose publicly at risk to yourself and family the devastating truth about what many on the inside already knew was going on.

On the internet the core values of trust and confidentiality are considered nostalgic sentiments from a bygone era.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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How old were you when you lost your virginity...

by butalbee in

how old were you when you lost your virginity and was it all that you thought it would be?????.

i was 19, and my first time was a complete let down.

i envisioned that gothic romance motif, all about romance and love, i didn't know what i was doing, didn't know sex was like that.

Derrick

Derrick: You will be a completely different person in 10 years. Come back to us then and tell us if your hasty life-long commitment is still that - a life-long commitment. What are the chances of your new, older personality and your wife's new, older personality being compatible? Pretty slim, if you ask me. People who marry during the teenage-adult transition phase tend to have the highest divorce rate, simply because the person you marry usually lands up changing quite dramatically as they enter true adulthood (something I admit I still have to do).

You're very perceptive. Our marriage did end in divorce due to financial difficulties. After half a decade of "marital bliss" the marital engine hit a rock and blew an axel. We tried separation, it was a sad and tearful moment before I drove away. We then decided to call it quits. If I wake up one morning next to her and discover this was all a bad dream, I will try to make it work on the next go around, because the unique thing about our marriage is that we really loved each other. (There's a recent movie, can't think of it's name, where a man who separated years ago wakes up next to his wife as if nothing ever happened, and discovered he was happier making the marriage work. I keep meaning to rent that movie.)

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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Meet The New "Spirit-Directed" Govern...

by Derrick in

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how they believe it is supposed to work .

[li] the present annointed governing body members shall soon pass away and receive their heavenly reward, not awaiting a resurrection.. [li] having run the fine "race" to the finish, they shall effectively pass "go" and collect their proverbial $200, to borrow a metaphor from the milton bradley game.. [li] upon their physical deaths they expect to enjoy an instant transfer of consciousness into glorious spirit bodies in heaven.. [li] not going to the proverbial monopoly "jail" upon their deaths (until awakening to a resurrection like the rest of sinful mankind), they expect to pass "jail" and go directly to a heavenly "park place" filled with riches and powers beyond earthly comprehension.. [li] these men who proclaimed themselves as part of the collective "faithful and discreet slave class" here on earth expect to enter heaven to reign over mankind as "priests" next to jesus christ, who is king over the earth, for a thousand years.. how it might actually work.

[li] the present men on the watchtower society's governing body shall soon die of natural age related causes.. [li] each one suddenly finds himself hovering over and looking down on his frail aged body in shock and puzzlement, as younger men scurry about his body.

Derrick

How They Believe It Is Supposed To Work

[li] The present annointed Governing Body members shall soon pass away and receive their heavenly reward, not awaiting a resurrection.

[li] Having run the fine "race" to the finish, they shall effectively pass "GO" and collect their proverbial $200, to borrow a metaphor from the Milton Bradley game.

[li] Upon their physical deaths they expect to enjoy an instant transfer of consciousness into glorious spirit bodies in Heaven.

[li] Not going to the proverbial Monopoly "Jail" upon their deaths (until awakening to a resurrection like the rest of sinful mankind), they expect to pass "Jail" and go directly to a heavenly "Park Place" filled with riches and powers beyond earthly comprehension.

[li] These men who proclaimed themselves as part of the collective "Faithful and Discreet Slave class" here on Earth expect to enter Heaven to reign over mankind as "Priests" next to Jesus Christ, who is King over the Earth, for a thousand years.

How It Might Actually Work

[li] The present men on the Watchtower Society's Governing Body shall soon die of natural age related causes.

[li] Each one suddenly finds himself hovering over and looking down on his frail aged body in shock and puzzlement, as younger men scurry about his body. Perhaps one of them is calling 911 on his cell phone.

[li] Each one, in a state of shock and confusion, watches paramedics attempt to revive his body with shock treatments to the chest, but finally they wipe their profusely perspiring brows and pronounce him dead.

[li] Each one sees a tunnel of light but is overpowered with fear. Resisting the light, they find themselves in familiar surroundings inside Bethel, but to their dismay nobody sees them. Over the next few months the truth is slowly sinking in, and they become filled with sadness, their confusion growing deeper.

[li] They observe the young Governing Body members they appointed praying to Jehovah through Christ asking their direction.

[li] Slowly these "ghosts" at Bethel start to learn to communicate telepathically through these younger men on the Governing Body through their dreams at night, and their daydreams during the day. Before long, these younger men start to respond intuitively to that direction, leading the organization just like their older counterparts did. These younger men are convinced the "annointed" are directing them from Heaven just as the "first" faithful slave Pastor Russell directed his predecessors, and as Judge Rutherford directed his predecessors, on down the line. Unknown to any of them, the truth was different than their human interpretation lead them to believe.

Unknown to everyone, the Governing Body is engaged in spiritism (in this case communication with the spirits of the dead), ironically condemned by the Bible. They are receiving their direction from spirits who are afraid to enter the light.

As one who has been a baptized JW since the mid-1970's, I have personally seen enough phenomenon to seriously question myself whether we are interpreting the scriptures about the condition of the dead in Ecclesiastes and elsewhere correctly. Suppose the soul is a living form of energy beyond our understanding of physics, and can exist as an intelligent entity outside of the physical body? Then JWs are in for a rude awakening upon their deaths, especially those on the Governing Body of JWs!

I'm not saying that I know this for a certainty. It's similar to one seeing a "flying saucer" and others looking skeptically upon that individual, not believing them. We each tend to only believe what we ourselves witness firsthand. Until you witness what I have witnessed firsthand I would never try to influence you to believe it. I'm not even sure that I believe it myself.

I do know this, however, that if the Governing Body are no more "annointed" than any other believer in the one true God, then one way or another, they are setting their youthful predecessors up for a major fall!

How Do YOU Think It Might Actually Work?

Share your bulleted scenario of what might occur that the new "spirit-directed" Governing Body might encounter?

Who knows? I've heard it said that these older men are reading discussion forums like this one from laptop computers.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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United Nations letter, Watchtower letter compared

by Derrick in

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h2o received an email from a source that requested anonymity with a recent letter dated march 18, 2002 on united nations letterhead with a signature block containing the name lyutha al-mughairy, chief liaison service, department of public information (for the united nations).. this letter was regarding some information about the united nations' former un ngo member, the watchtower bible & tract society of new york (member since 1992).. first read this recent united nations letter, posted on h2o's web site in its contributed section at this link:.

http://www.geocities.com/hourglass2.geo/contributed/un-wts-letter-3-28-2002.html.

note: the letter was converted from microsoft word format to html format to conserve space.

Derrick

H2O received an email from a source that requested anonymity with a recent letter dated March 18, 2002 on United Nations letterhead with a signature block containing the name Lyutha Al-Mughairy, Chief Liaison Service, Department of Public Information (for the United Nations).

This letter was regarding some information about the United Nations' former UN NGO member, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York (member since 1992).

First read this recent United Nations letter, posted on H2O's web site in its Contributed section at this link:

http://www.geocities.com/hourglass2.geo/contributed/un-wts-letter-3-28-2002.html

NOTE: The letter was converted from Microsoft Word format to HTML format to conserve space. A converter was used that preserves the EXACT "look and feel" of the original Word document.

Next, read the Watchtower Society's letter of explanation, found at this link:

http://www.freeminds.org/

Set the two letters next to one another, side by side, and compare.

I would like to hear your immediate reaction.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

122

How old were you when you lost your virginity...

by butalbee in

how old were you when you lost your virginity and was it all that you thought it would be?????.

i was 19, and my first time was a complete let down.

i envisioned that gothic romance motif, all about romance and love, i didn't know what i was doing, didn't know sex was like that.

Derrick

How old were you when you lost your virginity

I just turned 18 and considered a sex starved virgin when I married a beautiful sister (who was not a virgin and knew exactly what she was doing), she almost 10 years older than I. (A few jealous sisters were said to have whispered that she was 'robbing the cradle'!)

and was it all that you thought it would be?????

In all seriousness?

Oh yesssss!!!!!

Ask me if it was worth the sleepless nights and countless cold showers?

Absolutely.

;-)

I'm really saddened to hear you had less than the joys that every man and woman deserves especially during their first night together, for this is Jehovah's gift to humankind.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

Derrick

Is this your web site and photo:

http://www.youknow.com/

?

Sign me curious,

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)