Posts by Derrick

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My father just beat my brother-

by ashitaka in

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one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).

ashi.

p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.

Derrick

You should seek an immediate medical exam for your younger brother. Suppose he is suffering from internal injuries from getting thrown down the stairs? It could lead to later complications that result in his disability or even death. Who knows what other injuries the boy could have sustained out of your sight from similar or greater abuse? Remember that often homeowner's insurance will cover these types of injuries, if you're concerned about lack of medical insurance.

Seems to me anyone who throws their son down a flight of stairs is mentally ill and a danger to themself and others. Have the boy examined by trained medical experts. It might get your father into serious trouble, but save the boy if he is internally injured, perhaps suffering from ruptured internal organs that may require surgery?

It horrifies me to think of a child that age, still in their developmental stages, suffering internal injuries that could heal improperly leading to serious complications, disabilities, even sudden death years later. I have known some to turn the matter over the the local body of elders, but IMO you should consider informing the secular authorities (i.e., Social Services) to effect a tangible resolution that will protect your younger brother from future abuse. Just expressing my concerns!

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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My father just beat my brother-

by ashitaka in

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one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).

ashi.

p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.

Derrick

Suppose the 14 year old sustained unknown internal injuries, which later cause his death? Without a police report on file, it will be more difficult to prosecute the father for murdering his own son.

A report will also prevent civil actions against you by the family, for not reporting the crime.

That is why, providing that you or a reliable individual observed this child abuse, you should file a formal police report. Indicate you are concerned that the 14 year old might have sustained hidden internal injuries due to the terrible fall down the stairs and subsequent beating; that you want the child abuse documented should the boy later develop complications that require criminal charges and/or civil action by the family against the father.

Also, getting a criminal conviction for assaulting a child will effectively "mark" the abuser for life. I don't think there are any statute of limitations on the number of years a police record exists for a crime.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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FARTING at the meetings

by gambler in

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i'm sure you all have some good comical stories of pple farting during prayer or other quiet times during meeting.

as a personal experience of mine, the night before i had eaten a frozen pizza, doritos, and some old chocolate milk.

this combination produced the worst smelling brew i have ever had.

Derrick

> I was in the back row and decided to let loose for about 5 minutes. Although they were silent, that chair must have stunk for a month. I could tell half the hall smelled the toxic fumes. Fortunatly for me, I was sitting next to a bunch of younger kids who were known to LOUDLY fart often at meetings. And they indeed got the blame!

How rude. :<

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Japan Lost 500 Congregations!!!!

by metatron in

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do the math:.

1998 - 3,802 congregations (1999 yrbook figure) .

(drum roll, please).

Derrick

Interesting mystery. Did Japan lose 50,000 publishers between 1999 and 2001 based on the statistic you gave? Consider an alternative possibility. Is it not possible the missing or "lost" 13-percent of the total 3,802 congregations in 1999 were in actuality absorbed into the present 3,305 congregations?

If only 15-percent of JWs in each of the 500 congregations were assigned to each of the 3,305 remaining congregations, then 500 congregations could be absorbed and disappear. Suppose there's an average of 100 Publishers per congregation. If that average number of Publishers was correct, then each of the remaining 3,305 congregations would increase in attentance to 115 Publishers on average.

In any case a 15-percent increase per congregation in Japan by reducing the number of congregations by 500, is a considerable cost savings and reduction in administrative overhead, with very minimal impact on each remaining congregation.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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A WTS lie for UN "association"

by hawkaw in

full deposit: publications and masthead documents in english.

partial deposit: publications in english.

Derrick

Hi Hawkaw, excellent research. However, at the risk of sounding out of step with reality, I'll ask you a question: Suppose, way back when the Watchtower became an NGO of the United Nations, they didn't know that one could access the library's resources without becoming an NGO? Couldn't this have been an innocent mistake on their part? I realize joining the United nations was a bad call, but why not consider it was born out of ignorance and confusion not deliberate intent?

Comment to You Know: Nothing changes. You called that person a "Franzian drone"! You still engage in debate with those you judge as apostates! I understood your participation on H2O because it's a neutral zone. We don't allow swearing and personal insults. It appears that atmosphere was not conductive to your "ministry." You are now attending a masquerade ball for those you claim are "opposers," where swearing and personal insults are allowed. You are here judging others who have fallen by the wayside, when you should be encouraging them.

To all in this topic: First get all the facts as they existed when the Watchtower joined the United Nations before you decide whether they are trying to wiggle out of a compromising situation, or victims of misjudgment.

Derrick

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

-- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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active and happy jw

by scumgrief in

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i am an active jw and was raised as one.

i have been watching the site for a while and thought it could benefit from the opinions of someone who is happily a member of the jw's.

i will not get into any argumets that lead to nothing except name calling, and will not talk with anyone who is just plain mean (plenty of them in here).

Derrick

"we will hunt you and hurt you and beat you and injure you and harm you and maim you and crappy B movie death scene you and you will not like it! (we mean it!)"
http://scumgrief.com/

Gee, I got a similar threat back in 1996 when starting a site called [L=H2O] http://www.geocities.com/hourglass2.geo/[/L] for JWs and other interested ones. :)

Derrick

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Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses- Woodland Park

by Kent in

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is kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses- woodland park congregation a charity??

take a look at this page:.

http://www100.charitablegift.org/annual/recipients/k.shtml.

Derrick

The very first line on that site states: "Thanks to our donors, since 1992 we have made $2 billion in grants to over 56,000 charities throughout the U.S., making Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund one of America's leading public charities and #1 grantmaker."

In other words, those listed on the site ("our donors") have made $2 billion in grants to over 56,000 charities. That Kingdom Hall listed is one of those "donors" who has made a "grant" to one or more of Fidelity's 56,000 charities throughout the U.S.

On closer examination (editing this post), I can see "During the 1999-2000 fiscal year, our donors supported the following list of organizations:" under which the Kingdom Hall is listed. Therefore, Seeker is correct that this site is simply a repository of recipients of people who use Fidelity to make their donation (i.e., to their Kingdom Hall in this case) in order to document their donation for tax purposes. This is likely done with larger dollar amounts. So we've come full circle, another "wild goose chase"! There is nothing here, it's an "empty hole."

Derrick

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Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses- Woodland Park

by Kent in

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is kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses- woodland park congregation a charity??

take a look at this page:.

http://www100.charitablegift.org/annual/recipients/k.shtml.

Derrick

You make a very good point Seeker! As always you see through Kent's propaganda and cut to the heart of the matter. There is only one thing that puzzled me. Someone mentioned "grant givers." Did it state anywhere on that site that the list is comprised of "grant" givers, or was the word "grant" used? If so, then it implies the Kingdom Hall itself is giving grant money to some cause, as opposed to individuals placing charitable donations in the contribution box.

Derrick

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Watchtower | Christian Science | Mason Connection?

by Derrick in

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first take a look at a photo of watch tower founder charles taze russell's grave:.

http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_connection_of_the_watchtower.html.

notice that christian science also uses the knights templar symbol.. derrick

Derrick

larc wrote:

> I asked you a question about the extent of the organizational control of this world and the other organizations involved besides the ones commonly mentioned. Do you have an answer?

If I did have a definitive answer, larc, I would publish a book and try selling it on Amazon.com. ;-)

Seriously, though, from an organizational perspective I feel like someone standing in a hall of mirrors filled with a mist or fog that lessens visibility. I can state with reasonable accuracy, "someone must have designed this place, it's surely not a natural anomaly." (Do I hear someone whispering "Duh?" from the crowd?) Then I can speculate that its purpose is to cause someone inside its confines to wander around aimlessly, perhaps to distract them for some unknown reason. But I really don't know who constructed this place or what their motive is for luring people into it. This is a metaphor for many organizations. They all seem like arms and tenacles on a giant squid. Cutting off an arm or tenacle and it grows back. Kill its brains and the entire organism dies. Organizations left standing after its demise were obviously never part of it. In the same vein, I believe the true test of Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization will come after the head of the giant "squid" is severed.

Derrick

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Forgiving the Governing Body

by Derrick in

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as a baptized jehovah's witness, i have been tested over the years by those very ones who claim they are entrusted with my soul.

i'll digress a moment to state that one strong theory that has deeply troubled me over the years, centers around their transformation over a century into a caricaturistic representation of christendom.

(refer definition of caricature at http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=caricature for clarification.).

Derrick

LittleToe wrote:

> By their fruits...
> Is the whole GB truly anointed?. Many are called, few are chosen.
> It would appear questionable that some of their decisions are Spirit-led

You've got a good point. One's fruits identify one who claims to be anointed as authentic in their declaration. Also, even if the GB was "called" who on Earth really knows of they are ultimately the "chosen" ones? Finally, it seems if they were spirit-led then their decisions would reflect the "wisdom from above."

Derrick