Posts by Philippus79

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How many kids never buy into the JW B/S???

by navytownroger in

at the conventions, there always seem to be parents gushing about how their kids are 'in the truth', pioneering, etc.

i'm wondering how many jw kids just flat-out reject all the jw b/s right from the start.

surely there are some kids who just say 'no way!

Philippus79

The inofficial statistics for western Europe speak about 70% - 75%

Regards,

Phil

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On the (apocryphal?) source of 1 Cor. 2:9 and more ...

by behemot in

in 1 cor.

2:9 paul states: "just as it is written: 'eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that god has prepared for those who love him".

(nwt).

My experience was that from my WT background I believed the 1st and 2nd century congregation to be organized, structured and basically united in teaching and ideas.

But after having studied this topic whoroughly and without the "help" of the WT, I learned that "chistianity" basically was a mess with independent congregations all over the Roman Empire, without an authoritative canon and hundreds of writings, apocrypha and pseudopycripha circulating among the brothers.

In addition to those "christian" writing, they also treasured and used books and writing that were not even part of the then availabe "jewish canon". And since nobody had a "canon" no one could tell the believers to read these writings and neglect those. Stories about miracles, about Jesus living, about Peter flying about talking animals, fables and jewish fables circulated and enjoyed great prestige.

Really, the only common factor among those Christians was the idea of Jesus of nazareth being the Messiah and probably the evidence thereof given in the jewish canon.

So it is no surprise to find quotes of those writings in what later became the NT.

regards,

Phil

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memorial 2009

by heathen in

anybody hear anything special about it ?

was talking to a witness last night and he mentioned there was some significance to next years memorial in regard to the 1975 date or there about that ended mans six thousand years from creation and now it has something also to do with jesus 33.5 years on earth .

just curious for more info that may be out there as this person suggested that the remaining remnant were very excited about it..........

Philippus79

Hi Heathen!

It is about the correspondence of the ransom. Gordon Ritchie of www.biblecodeintro.com told the GB from 1993 to 1995 and time and again since then, that Jesus' perfect life corresponded in it's length with Adam's perfect life. So to cut it short, Adam sinned and started to die 33,5 years old just as Jesus died without sin 33,5 years old.

That means that the "founding of the world" was 3993 or 3992BC and 6000 years to that would lead you to 2008 or 2009. In addition, Jesus would have died "dead on" in the centre of the Abrahamic Covenant, 1975 years after it was made. And 1975 years after the founding of the church would be 2008.

I know from sources that those ideas were especially cherished by Dan Sydlik and are still "taught" or at least "discussed" in Gilead.

We will know soon,

Phil

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When did the Watchtower start baptising converts?

by Philippus79 in

i think to remember the russell initially accepted water baptisms of other christian denominations.

but does anyone know when (and maybe who) they started their own water baptism rite?

couldn't find much in the 'proclaimers' book.

Philippus79

Thank you!

Is a JW baptism then a "baptism into Christ"? From the logic I can deduce from the OT, a baptism is a cleansing for the entrance into a covenant. How do they handle that?

Phil

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food shortages

by chicken little in

any of you been told by the jws that the current food crisis is fulfillment of the revelation prophecy of the horsemen?

they are really talking about it now and how a days wage is worth nothing.

you heard similar things?.

Philippus79

Yeah, I have heard it!

Since Jesus is the 1st horseman, they know he is riding. Food shortage or "world food crisis" is the 3rd horseman. So the 2nd must be riding as well.

The second horseman has a (in greek) "great" sword, not a "long" sword like the 4th. Now the greates sword as regards prestige is the US military. Bush nominally got it. So he is riding as well. So it is reasoned, that he must take peace away from the earth (probably by taking out Iran) before the end of his term...

So you see, Armageddon is nigh!

Phil

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When did the Watchtower start baptising converts?

by Philippus79 in

i think to remember the russell initially accepted water baptisms of other christian denominations.

but does anyone know when (and maybe who) they started their own water baptism rite?

couldn't find much in the 'proclaimers' book.

Philippus79

Interesting Freddy Franz discussion, but would anyone know when they started having their "own" baptism? Let's say a "bible student" or a "jehovah's witnesses" baptism?

And while we are there, does anyone know if Rutherford "invalidated" the baptism of those who split off?

Thanks,

Phil

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When did the Watchtower start baptising converts?

by Philippus79 in

i think to remember the russell initially accepted water baptisms of other christian denominations.

but does anyone know when (and maybe who) they started their own water baptism rite?

couldn't find much in the 'proclaimers' book.

Philippus79

I think to remember the Russell initially accepted water baptisms of other Christian denominations. But does anyone know when (and maybe who) they started their own water baptism rite? Couldn't find much in the 'Proclaimers' book.

Thx,

Phil

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Can genesis be reconciled with science?

by inkling in

jw
friends

ok, so a recent thread about the latest wt antiscience content (found here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/159423/1.ashx).

has got me thinking.... it does seem really hard to hold active trust in the bible as the word of.

god without being leery of science.

Philippus79

'Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.' - Albert Einstein Phil

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The WT, the UN and why it was Idolatry and Harlotry

by Philippus79 in

church harlotry .

all churches are subject to the law of the land but no church should make itself subject to the rules of another organisation.

such an agreement is a corporate joining which gives the church a second head.

Philippus79

YEah, seen that! My argument comes from a biblical side, it is aimed for all those who have faith in God and are interested in Bible prophecy. Phil

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The WT, the UN and why it was Idolatry and Harlotry

by Philippus79 in

church harlotry .

all churches are subject to the law of the land but no church should make itself subject to the rules of another organisation.

such an agreement is a corporate joining which gives the church a second head.

Philippus79

Church Harlotry

All churches are subject to the law of the land but no church should make itself subject to the rules of another organisation. Such an agreement is a corporate joining which gives the church a second head. It is therefore an act of harlotry to a God who requires exclusive devotion...

24 For Jehovah your God is a consuming fire, a God exacting exclusive devotion. (Deuternonomy4)

16 What! Do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body? For, The 2, says he, will be one flesh. (1Corinthians6).

Anyone who brings an idol into the temple is an idolater. So if you again and again spend the whole meeting trying to sell double glazing to your brother you are an idolater. But if a church makes itself subject to the rules of any other organisation by agreement, then it has become one (corporate/legal) body with that outfit and the outfit has a permanent wing in the temple. This is harlotry by the church.

So if for example a church joined the tennis club as a corporate member, this would also be harlotry. Even if the only result was that every member of the church had to mow the lawn of the tennis club once a year, it is still harlotry, because the church is joined by agreement to the tennis club and subject to its laws.

So the harlotry of the Watchtower with the UN was not that the UN would one day battle with the lamb nor was it that the UN is the throne of Satan, nor was it that they had condemned the UN in 1963 and resolved never to have anything to do with it. The harlotry was merely that they joined the temple to a worldly outfit. The further sin was that they broke their own resolution of 1963.

However the bottom line is that the Watchtower was joined to the throne of Satan. His throne was therefore placed in the temple of the Watchtower for 10 years from January 1992 until October 2001. Any JW knowing this, who thinks that he should remain in that church is a rank idolater of that church and a worshipper of Satan.

Any JW who remains in that temple is condoning the biggest possible insult to God and Jesus and is a demonstrably false worshipper. In fact since the temple is joined to God, Satan succeeded in joining his throne to God through the UN-Watchtower association.

This of course was one of the 3 tests that Jesus passed. However his church fails all 3 of them. In this case Satan offered all the territories of the world to the Watchtower for evangelism for one little UN NGO signature.

Phil