Posts by Philippus79

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World to end March 2008???

by GetOverIt in

this is very lengthy, if anyone has time, i'm interested in opinions.

i haven't gone over it thoroughly.

it also identifies jw's as having know become known as a false religion and uses a lot of chronology.. http://www.unwatchtower.com/.

Philippus79

Lol, Gringa!! The KJV reads "The End is nigh!" gg. Keep walking, we'll save a lot of money on taxes and other official BS...Yiiihhha!!!

Phil

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World to end March 2008???

by GetOverIt in

this is very lengthy, if anyone has time, i'm interested in opinions.

i haven't gone over it thoroughly.

it also identifies jw's as having know become known as a false religion and uses a lot of chronology.. http://www.unwatchtower.com/.

Philippus79

OBVES is completly sure that he knows it all... He could never accept something that doesn't come from himself...
Regards,

Phil

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World to end March 2008???

by GetOverIt in

this is very lengthy, if anyone has time, i'm interested in opinions.

i haven't gone over it thoroughly.

it also identifies jw's as having know become known as a false religion and uses a lot of chronology.. http://www.unwatchtower.com/.

The Lords' Witnesses didn't prophecy the end of the world 20 times. The date for the end of the 6000 year leashold of Satan (Nisan14 2008) is the same unchanged date since 1993. It is 6000 years after Adam sinned when he was 33,5 years old (3993 BC) or 1975 years after Jesus died when he was 33,5 years old, thus besecting the Abrahamic covenant.

They predict that the first birth pang of the kingdom would be a nuclear or dirty terrorist bomb hitting the UN in Manhattan. They started those predictions in spring 2006 and have since then warned the WT and high ranking officials in NY over 30 times.

The publicly admit their interpretational mistakes on their site http://www.truebiblecode.com Here is their maxim which I like...

"The beginning of Wisdom is the statement: I don't know.
The beginning of Righteousness is the statement: I screwed up.
Righteousness is moral sustainability. Sin is unsustainable. It has no future.
The true measure of a church is not the size of its flock, but the size of its faith in the word."

Regards,

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14 old JW boy dies refusing blood transfusion

by Philippus79 in

here is the link: .

http://www.cnn.com/2007/us/11/29/jehovahs.witness.ap/index.html .

(matthew 23:35-36) .

Philippus79

I'm sad myself about the situation. But I did some research and as it seems this poor lad decided really for himself.

He made something like a conscious decision based on his faith. Obviously the question is was he mature enough to do so? the judge seems to say yes....

A very difficult situation.

Phil

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14 old JW boy dies refusing blood transfusion

by Philippus79 in

here is the link: .

http://www.cnn.com/2007/us/11/29/jehovahs.witness.ap/index.html .

(matthew 23:35-36) .

Philippus79

Here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/29/jehovahs.witness.ap/index.html

(Matthew 23:35-36) . . .may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation."

Phil

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Doctorinal Question: JWs teach Jesus is Micheal the Arc Angel.....

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

i have a question for you... the jws teach jesus is micheal the arc angel right?

so here is my question...according to the jws..is jesus a god or a angel??

Philippus79

@lovelilly

The ggod thing having left the WT is that I know longer have to convince anyone of my view. After all, it is just my understanding of the Word and it doesn't have to be right. Although I personally try real hard to understand the Bible and I take it as the inspired holy Word of God, I believe that we will not know "the truth" or completly understand this ambiguous Book before Jesus returns... So this is not intended to proselytize anyone...

I understand that in Hebrew a son of a son of a son is also "a son". And Job 1:6 only tells me that angels are called sons of God. In what way they are his "sons" and how angelic creation/procreation works is not said here.

As regards Hebrews 1, you state that my understanding of verse 4 is a "misunderstanding of many people". I know where this (mis??)understanding come from. It might arise out of the grammatical structure of this sentence which really points to this view:

Paul uses "ginomai" "being made". This verb is in the 2nd aorist tense. The aorist tense is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action, obviously at a certain point of time.

The second verb used in this sentence is "kleronomeo" which means "inheritance obtained". Now this verb is in the perfect tense.

So one could suggest that there was a certain point in the past when he obtained this new status.

In this context Philipper 2:8-10 might be interesting as well:

8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake/cross. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground [...] (NWT corrected to the Westcott & Hort)

Again "exalted" and "gave" in verse 9 are in the aorist tense but the word "dio" which starts verse 9 link the rest of the sentence to the story told in verse 7 and 8. It makes it causal, implies a temporal succession of events.

"bending ones knee" does not necessarily imply "worship" but it surely implies a now exalted position.

Anyway, I'm happy when you are happy with your understanding and I know we depart from the topic here, so that's enough for the minute.

All the best, regards,

Phil

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Doctorinal Question: JWs teach Jesus is Micheal the Arc Angel.....

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

i have a question for you... the jws teach jesus is micheal the arc angel right?

so here is my question...according to the jws..is jesus a god or a angel??

Philippus79

@ lovelylil

You are saying that this is a rhetorical question. Let me answer with a similar question: "To which of the humans did He ever say 'This is my son the beloved one'?" This would by the same logic be a rhetorical question with the answer "to none"...

And since you quote Hebrews, let us have a look at vers 4:

"So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs."

Two points here. He "became superior", this means that he was elevated in status/position/existence. And he "inherited" a superior name. That also means first/at the beginning/prior to this inheritance he did NOT have this (superior) name. Right? Okay, inherited from whom? Who could bequeath him a name? Only YHWH. Well, which "name" could Yahweh have given him as an inheritance? ....click click

Phil

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Doctorinal Question: JWs teach Jesus is Micheal the Arc Angel.....

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

i have a question for you... the jws teach jesus is micheal the arc angel right?

so here is my question...according to the jws..is jesus a god or a angel??

Philippus79

@ Lady Liberty

"The truth is out there" The X-Files 1993

"7 Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU." Matthew 7:7 - Yes, I really believe it!

Don't get confused, put on your Sherlock Holmes hat...

@deaconbluez

Well, Jude 9 says in the KJV:

“Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

The words “railing accusation” are the Greek words “blasphemia krisis” which could also be translated “a slanderous judgement”. Jude also uses the Greek word “epitimao” which does also mean “to adjudge, award, in the sense of merited penalty”. Surely Jesus did not do something like that when he said in Mat. 4:10

“10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’

He dismissed the devil and rightly so.

Besides that your arguments don’t regard the temporal context of those three texts and the position/situation of Michael/Jesus at the given time…

@Zico

“In this book, Michael is one of seven archangels alongside others like Gabriel. Though the book is not a part of the bible canon, Jude quotes it in verses 14 and 15 of his book.”

It is not part of the inspired canon. It is a “book” that really consists of 5 “books” and wasn’t written by Enoch. According to the leading authority on the apocrypha, James H. Charlesworth, the books were written between the early pre –Maccabean era and 64 B.C. to late pre-Christian. The line in question was assumedly written in the late pre-Maccabean time.

However, it was very popular in the first century and widespread. The fact that Jude quotes from it only shows, that he believed the quoted line to be true. For all readers with faith in the Bible, this can only proof that this specific line was divinely approved. Jude was “inspired” to use this quote, not more. We find many quotes from gentile kings or rulers in the text as well as quotations from Assyrian writings in the OT and nobody would claim that the whole writings were inspired by God…

Nonetheless, I personally think that the “Book of Enoch” hold some very fascinating insights.

It is true that Michael was “one of the foremost princes” and not “the foremost” at this time… Angels worship Gods, that is true, so Jesus must have been “a God” in the context of Hebrews 1. But this does not rule out Michael to be Jesus…

@Leolaia

As usually, splendidly put. Let me add Jude 9 refers to a story of the disputes between Michael and Satan over the body of Jesus, an account that does not appear in our text.

That the episode was contained in the lost ending of the Testament of
Moses, or in a cognate work, possibly called the Assumption of Moses,
is possible, but our present information does not warrant any positive conclusion. [...] The possibility exists that some NT authors were familiar with the Testament of Moses, but it would be better to say that both the Testament of Moses and certain NT texts show familiarity with common traditional material."

In the Word Biblical Commentary on Jude, 2 Peter, (Word Books, 1983),
R.J. Bauckham includes an excursus on pp. 65-76 on the sources of Jude 9. This is the most comprehensive text I could find - eleven pages on this one verse! It is worth looking up, if you are interested and have access to a theological library. Bauckham details the relation of Jude 9 to OT and other sources, and writes "There is widespread agreement that Jude's source in verse 9 was the lost ending of a work sometimes known as the Assumption of Moses, but
more appropriately known as the Testament of Moses"

"Although the ending of the Testament of Moses is no longer extant, a
number of Christian sources seem to have preserved the substance of
the story it contained" Sources are listed, including Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Dydimus the Blind, Gelasius, etc.

The article concludes that the "Assumption of Moses" is a second-
century edited version of the Testimony of Moses", and that Jude was
aware of, and alluded to, at least the tradition, if not the precise
wording of the Testimony.

@Deacon

Solution: Princes become Kings. It is as simple as that. Like begets like.

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Statistics on pubs needed!

by Philippus79 in

i do some research currently on the ibsa.

does anyone have a number of biblestudents or even better memorial partakers in 1925 or 1926?

would be much appreciated, .

Philippus79

Lol, not bad, not bad at all!

Good figures...but sorry, I'm straight...gg

Cheers,

Phil

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Statistics on pubs needed!

by Philippus79 in

i do some research currently on the ibsa.

does anyone have a number of biblestudents or even better memorial partakers in 1925 or 1926?

would be much appreciated, .

Philippus79

Hi, need your help.

I do some research currently on the IBSA. Does anyone have a number of biblestudents or even better Memorial Partakers in 1925 or 1926?

Would be much appreciated,

Phil