Posts by Quandry

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Describe Your Feelings When You KNEW It Wasn't The "Truth" After All

by minimus in

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when it finally registered that you did not really have the "truth" after all, what went thru your mind?

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when things "clicked", what was your emotional state and what did you about it?.

Quandry

I really wanted to die.

I thought death would be preferable to the feelings of utter betrayal after over thirty years of trying so hard to be everything I thought I must be in order to survive this system and be acceptable to God, never feeling that I measured up, only to realize that what is acceptable can change according to the whims of men in New York.

They said in the Awake magazine for years on the inside cover that they wanted to build my confidence that those who were alive in 1914 would not pass off the scene until the big A. They did indeed build my confidence. Then shattered it in 1995 with their "new light."

I think Lennyinbluemont described many of the feelings quited well.

I feel like Rip Van Winkle, who slept for twenty years and when he awoke, was out of touch with the reality of the times.

No money for retirement, no real vacations my entire adult life (went to the WTS facilities for vacations) Blech!!!

No higher education, stuck in dead end job. And to use the word dead, it now seems I will be some day...

Yes, I have no friends, but with friends like the WTS, who needs enemies?

Don't know what to believe, hence my name, Quandry.................................................

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Free at Last, or am I

by Princess Daisy Boo in

i have just spent the last 3 or 4 hours reading everyone's posts and i am so thrilled and relieved that sites like this exist which allow us ex jw's to express ourselves.

i feel compelled to share my story, even though it is probably quite unremarkable.

i have this feeling that finally being able to express my thoughts albeit on the web, will finally allow me some freedom!.

Quandry

I am late in welcoming you to the forum. I did not see your first post. Anyway,

WELCOME

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I am dropping off the face of the web...

by jgnat in

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i leave in a few days.

nothing drastic, just a glorious road trip through the rockies.

unless i drag hubby in to a cyber cafe along the way, i will be incommunicado.

Quandry

Wow, that is exciting! I've never been to Canada before, but would love to go.

I am also glad that you are getting out in the sun. Perhaps you won't be so yellow anymore.

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Do you Consider yourself "Christian" and what does this imply?

by JH in

i consider myself "christian", but don't know exactly what one must do to please christ and yhwh...

Quandry

Yes, I consider myself a Christian. It implies that I believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for me, was resurrected, etc......

However, a poster commented, The only way to follow Jesus is to know the Word that was written for us to follow.

Here is where the rub comes in and why I chose the name Quandry.

I never believed the Trinity, even when I was in a church before becomming a JW. I don't want to believe in hellfire.

But neither do I believe that any organization can just state 1874 marked the end, then 1914, then 1925 all the "ancient worthies" will be resurrected. and all the other doctrinal flip flops and then tell me that if I don't believe every idiotic thing they publish which is not found in the Bible, that I am worthy of destruction.

So, what to follow? What to follow? Will we all go to heaven? Will the earth be a paradise? What does Jesus want?

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Active Elders who post on JWD

by Honesty in

does your conscience torment you knowing that you are misleading the flock of god as you continue teaching them the heresies of the watchtower society?.

why are you staying in the organization and posting here at the same time?.

do you really believe that you can help your families to reject the watchtower society while remaining an elder and visibly appearing to support their lies and false teachings?.

Quandry

Seeker 4,

Thanks!! I guess I didn't get it.

Quandry

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Could the WTBTS get JWs to kill?

by serotonin_wraith in

i'm not saying those in power would even contemplate doing this, but i wonder just how far jws would go to obey their leaders.

would they go as far as to kill, if they thought god had given that message to 'his people'?.

it would probably take years of subtle changes in their message so that it didn't come as a big shock.

Quandry

1952 November 15, How do Watchtower leaders feel about ex-members who expose the Society? "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization . . . "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates . . ." The Watchtower November 15, 1952 page 703

I was looking for this quote. Most people in the "modern day" organization don't realize that this is truly how the borg feels about people who leave their organization or are df'd. This includes even young teens who have made a growing up mistake.

No, they are not pacifists. They want all the worldly people dead but are just waiting rather impatiently for Jehovah to get the job done. In fact, I remember reading a quote from an old publication that was possibly written by Rutherford, that if only there was a bomb that could get rid of all the "worldly people and leave the buildings" that would be great.

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Could the WTBTS get JWs to kill?

by serotonin_wraith in

i'm not saying those in power would even contemplate doing this, but i wonder just how far jws would go to obey their leaders.

would they go as far as to kill, if they thought god had given that message to 'his people'?.

it would probably take years of subtle changes in their message so that it didn't come as a big shock.

Quandry

1952 November 15, How do Watchtower leaders feel about ex-members who expose the Society? "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization . . . "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates . . ." The Watchtower November 15, 1952 page 703

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Could the WTBTS get JWs to kill?

by serotonin_wraith in

i'm not saying those in power would even contemplate doing this, but i wonder just how far jws would go to obey their leaders.

would they go as far as to kill, if they thought god had given that message to 'his people'?.

it would probably take years of subtle changes in their message so that it didn't come as a big shock.

Quandry

1952 November 15, How do Watchtower leaders feel about ex-members who expose the Society? "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization . . . "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates . . ." The Watchtower November 15, 1952 page 703

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My hubby just laid down some rules to my elder dad

by Es in

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recently an elder called mike's mob phone wanting to speak to me, the only person who could have passed on that info was my elder dad.

mike has been waiting for my dad to call him to arrange to see the kids, as he wont deal with me at all.

so mike said to him i dont appreciate you giving our number out to the elders, we want nothing to do with them or your religion etc... mike than called me and said there was so much more i wanted to tell him.. i get a phone call about 30 mins later, mike had rang my dad and said if you want to see your grandkids then there are a few rules you will need to follow, 1. dont ever give out our personal details (which my dad apologised for and acknowldeged that he shouldnt have done that ) and 2. if you want to see your grandkids you need to speak to your daughter, you can msg her phone or even speak to her.

Quandry

Recently an elder called Mike's mob phone wanting to speak to me, the only person who could have passed on that info was my elder dad.

Why did he give an elder your phone number? What did the elder want to speak to you about? If your dad is an elder, couldn't he have told you the information?

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Active Elders who post on JWD

by Honesty in

does your conscience torment you knowing that you are misleading the flock of god as you continue teaching them the heresies of the watchtower society?.

why are you staying in the organization and posting here at the same time?.

do you really believe that you can help your families to reject the watchtower society while remaining an elder and visibly appearing to support their lies and false teachings?.

Quandry

If they have a wife and kids in the organization, screw 'em. Cast off your family like a snake sheds it's skin.

Ooooooh, harsh. Sounds like disfellowshipping.

I think that there are some very sincere people in the borg. I know that I was. I would never have looked at anyone picketing with signs or read "apostate literature" but would have likely listened to reasoning from an elder whom I admired. There may be opportunity down the road for those still "in" to help not only their family, but others, to think for themselves.

If you are an active elder, don't be disheartened by all the negative comments. You must decide for yourself how to proceed. And I for one am glad to have you with us on this forum.