Posts by Quandry

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In memory of Jeff...

by nsrn in

i was just remembering a childhood friend.

jeff was 2 years older than me, and our mothers were good friends, lifelong witness sisters.

jeff's dad was 'worldly,' and i can remember being envious that jeff didn't have to go out in service and was allowed to miss many meetings.

Quandry

How wonderful that Jeff had a friend like you to remember him and mourn for him. Thanks for sharing.

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What was the wildest thing you saw an elder do or say?

by jambon1 in

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after replying to a recent thread, it made me think:

i`ll bet that there are some wacky elder experiences out there.

what was the wackiest thing you saw an elder do or say?

Several years ago at a hall that I went to, an elder giving the talk began with, Jesus was a frantic, and his followers were frantics. Many people were looking at each other. I was trying hard not to laugh.

He later gave a talk at a Circuit Assembly where he read a scripture about people in the "same low STINK of debauchery." Then he said, "And it really is a stink, isn't it?"

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I FEEL SO FRUSTRATED.

by vitty in

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my daughter phoned me today after her dc, she said it was good.

she also went on to tell me how she was unhappy with an elder on their case about improving their fs, she said he hinted about her pioneering something she said she doesnt want to do.

she and her new hubby hate fs.

Quandry

It is good that she felt she could talk to you. Until a really good opportunity comes, continue to listen and just say, mmmmm. She will see that she can say anything she wants to around you and feel freer to make comments as time goes on.

At least for now, your relationship will be better if she knows you are always there to talk to.

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another life gone

by darth frosty in

this past thurs a young brother ended his life.

in writing he stated that he could not live up to the demands placed on him.

i am quite sure that all the local witnesses will hear about this and think what they are programed to think: we need the new system.

Quandry

foreverjw-you have a private message from me. There is something I'd like for you to know.

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What is your favorite WT quotation?

by AliveinChrist in

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greetings group.

i was just reading over some old literature and found some amazing quotes made by the watchtower; i think my head really hurts now.

i thought i would post this last one to see if you could get through it without getting a headache.

Quandry

Page 94, Chapter 11-The Last Days of This Wicked System of Things:

Jesus had just referred to persons who would "see all these things." "These things" are the events that have taken place since 1914 and those yet to occur down to the end of this wicked system. (Matthew 24:33) Persons born even as much as fifty years ago could not see "all these things." They came on the scene after the fordtold events were already under way. But there are people still living who were alive in 1914 and saw what was happening then and who were old enough that they still remember those events. This generation is getting up in years now. A great number of them have already passed away in death. Yet Jesus very pointedly said: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." Some of them will still be alive to see the end of this wicked system. This means that only a short time is left before the end comes!(Psalm 90:10) So now is the time to take urgent action if you do not want to be swept away with this wicked system.

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Be Honest: Did You ACTUALLY Report Accurate Field Service Time?

by minimus in

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i bet most people did not.

i think nearly everyone counted time spent on breaks.

or sitting in the car for an hour and a half while the elders did a "shepherding" call.

Quandry

For the most part, I did. I did not literally sit there and count how many exact minutes I spent in the convenience store getting a cold drink as some did, but I was honest. Then I went home and felt extemely guilty because I knew I wasn't spending enough time out there and felt guilty because I was so glad it was over, and felt guilty that my presentation wasn't good enough, and felt really guilty if the job was to go into businesses, because I REALLY didn't like that. Then I felt guilty because of my poor attitude with regard to this life saving work......... Guilty, guilty, guilty.......

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another life gone

by darth frosty in

this past thurs a young brother ended his life.

in writing he stated that he could not live up to the demands placed on him.

i am quite sure that all the local witnesses will hear about this and think what they are programed to think: we need the new system.

Quandry

I wish we could get a really accurate count of how many have taken their own lives in this organization. If we could put the worldwide numbers together, it would probably be a sad shock. I wish this information was available to the news media. This is so distressing it makes me sick.If only this young man could have been told that he had done many worthwhile things and had a future instead of do more, do more, do more..... you are not doing enough........

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How do you deal with a "Joy Kill?"

by free2beme in

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a friend of mine just got out of a relationship in which she was abused.

we all have supported her exit, and encouraged her to get counseling.

she is doing well, yet the details of her life and what happened are not something i think should come up with strangers in every day conversation.

Quandry

Yes, like the others said, please be patient. Sometimes she probably comes out with what happened to her because it is hard to believe it happened. I know that after the horrible way my daughter was dealt with by "Christian" elders, told she was going to burn in the lake of fire, I could not control my emotions for a long time. Sometimes on my lunchtime at work, I would go outside and cry. I didn't want to be a killjoy for others, but couldn't keep the thoughts out of my head. Yes, it takes time and good friends......

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DeIndoctrination

by Shazard in

what about using wt tactics against them?

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how to attract jw and keep them long enough to get chances to reach their mind and plant seeds of doubt about wt?

Quandry

Regarding the comment of SirNose 586 (I hope I spelled your name correctly sir) I believe you are right about concentrating on the child abuse issues. I myself would never have looked in the direction of an apostate, let alone talked with one.

However, the issue of child abuse is something that affects many, and is generally viewed as sick by most people. Yes, talking about something that a person can get emotional about is effective. Discussing 607 or even 1914 usually isn't going to do anything but put people on the defensive and make them more stubborn in their support of the organization.

I remember a number of years ago when the abortion debates were really going strong, and many people were picketing abortion clinics. On the news you could see the different sides yelling across the street from each other. Certainly no views were changed on either side of the street. Instead, both sides got more inflamed.

However, at about the same time, a message came on T.V. There was a young woman walking in a park, past a playground. She looked at the young children swinging and began to imagine what her child would have been like had she allowed him to live. You could see the torment that she was putting herself through due to her decision to have an abortion. What an effective message!! I had no children at the time but the image of this young woman made me start crying and was more effective than any large march or picketing group could ever be.

Of course, many are probably disturbed by the changes in the 1914 doctrine and others, but the issue of child abuse is the one that is getting the most publicity such as the court cases now going on. Who is going to call these victims taking their abusers to court apostate liars? Some, maybe, but most deep down know better.

There are many others who have been emotionally abused by the elders, which is just as serious as sexual abuse due to the lifelong devastating mental scars. This is what happened to my family. It is undoubtedly happening to others. That is why they must now get on the bandwagon with the articles commanding family members not to associate with those who have been "righteously disciplied."

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17 Days: One Final Adventure

by Merry Magdalene in

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i once posted here a copy of my empassioned plea to the watchtower society--i want my mother back.

well, i just wanted to let all of you know that i got her back for a whole 17 days, and we had one final adventure together before she died, and there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.. my mother is, was, a long-term loyal jw and i was her disfellowshipped daughter.

i believe she was in an almost constant state of conflict over me because her very strong maternal instincts demanded she behave openly and lovingly toward me, while her wts-trained conscience demanded the opposite.

Quandry

Thank you for sharing your beautiful adventure with us. I am so happy you and your daughter were able to have such an experience with your mom. I am sure you made her last days satisfying.