Actually, I think we should sell those burritos they used to have at the conventions. We'd get alot of takers. I used to love them. They were so heavy in your stomach they anchored you to the seat all afternoon so you couldn't even think of leaving before the closing prayer!!!
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New Convention Apostate Protest technique.
by vomit inhow about making a stall outside the convention center called "apostate muffins" or "once a brother muffins".
make some crazy good muffins.
but each one you sell you also have to eat one.
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What Subject Did You HATE Hearing About At The Meetings?
by minimus ini was bored to death when i had to listen to prophecy bullsh*t. especially the isaiah books!
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Also--elders are a hiding place from the wind, and water in an exhausted land.
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What Subject Did You HATE Hearing About At The Meetings?
by minimus ini was bored to death when i had to listen to prophecy bullsh*t. especially the isaiah books!
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What reason could you give to Jehovah for not pioneering? Do you have the pioneer spirit? If you do not have the circumstances, could you change your circumstances? Brother and sister theocratic have six children, and brother works nights cleaning, and they have no car, and all have to walk to the hall through infested with something jungles, and sister is paralized, but all in the family are pioneers. Can you make room for it? They have adjusted their schedules-can you adjust yours?
Note--talk needs to be given by an elder who has at least a Lexus car and preferably lives in a gated community.
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I have no mouth, and I must scream
by under_believer inplease indulge a little whining.
i don't go out in service--i don't comment.
they assign talks (once, one of the highlights of my existence) to me every couple of months.
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It's not as simple as "grow a set of balls."
No, it is not. You are a husband and a father. You love your family. They love you. You have something that is precious and many envy. Think long and hard before possibly giving it up.
That being said, why not try middle ground? Try to take at least one weekend a month to do something family, such as camping or a trip? That way, you will be getting away from the meetings but bonding as a family. Wife will appreciate you taking time for her and the kids. Your family can't help feeling the way they do about the WTS. You did too not so long ago. You did not change overnight, I would imagine.
Try little things to reason with your wife. Perhaps a well placed question here or there.
You realize the value of an education and will never toe the WT line of "keep them stupid and in service related jobs."
You have advantages. You have time. Plan slowly. You may be succesful in reasoning with the family little by little.
Yes, please do not allow the kids to get baptized.
I wish you success. You must make the decision that works best for you. You sound like a wonderful thoughtful person. Do not let others make up your mind for you and then do something you could regret for the rest of your life.
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So I went to the Memorial last night...........
by Warlock inso i went last night and it really wasn't that bad.
in fact, i felt comfortable.
i got the usual greetings, hugs, and one of the elders almost came to tears when he saw me.. there were also the "same-old" "same-olds" who look right through you and never say a word to you.
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Dave-O
Welcome.
I wonder if you will be counted as a partaker of the memorial emblems (the bread and the wine). You probably confused them. They won't know what to do because they are supposed to count everyone that eats and drinks, but they will probably find out that you were just a visitor. They already have increasing numbers of people every year that partake, even though they say the number should be reduced every year. Oh, what to do....what to do.....
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For all the gardeners out there waiting on snow to melt, pics of my flowers
by restrangled inflora and fauna in my yard....by time you start, these will be burnt out.
enjoy!.
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Beautiful!! Thanks for sharing. Looks like Florida to me.
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What would you recommend to Memorial Lurkers?
by AK - Jeff inthis is your chance to give some advice to lurkers who may need the courage to push the envelope.. my advice; read raymond franz's books, crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom.. raymond is not the frothing-at-the-mouth rabid apostate you have been lead to believe he is.
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If you do not believe that they are what they say they are, God's only channel of communication, and do no believe every single pronouncement coming from them, e.g. change in generation, blood changes, when annointed began to be resurrected, Jesus only mediator for 144,00, etc., do not go and lend your support and be a larger number for them to count in attendance!!!!
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I just wanted to say I love you all and this is the love thread
by needproof infor a bit of sunday fluff, i wanted to post that i love every single one of you guys and girls.
please feel free to join me in sending love to all on jwd :)
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Thank you, thank you thank you for your kind thoughts sent our way, and I send mine out to all as well.
Hope everyone has a wonderful warm spring day!!
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THE HAPPY FACTOR
by Dogpatch inhere's a question that i haven't seen addressed directly:.
why are there many witnesses who enjoy the organization immensely?.
no matter what you tell them, they would not dream of leaving.
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Thank you for your post. I thought about the word "happy" for a long time in relation to how I felt as a Witness.
I don't think happy ever had anything to do with it. I truly wanted to worship God in a way that pleased him. I felt that it was God's requirements that were important, and not anything that I wanted. So I wasn't looking for personal happiness. I wanted it, of course, but that just wasn't my primary reason for studying the Bible.
I took everything the Witnesses said as truth-hook, line and sinker. Did it make me happy or did I enjoy it immensely? No, really after many years I began to be on automatic pilot as I was so busy I never had time to think, much less consider whether my life was happy.
Even when I began to have nagging doubts, as in 1995, when I looked around the hall and no one else seemed to be concerned, I thought it was me. I felt more and more guilty because of having feelings of never measuring up, so I realize now that I was really beginning to become quite miserable. I know it is ridiculous, but when I was sick, I was happy because I truly had a reason not to go to meetings. Otherwise, I would never miss.
If my teenage daughter was not treated in such a humiliating, cruel way by "spiritual shepherds" would I ever have left? Or would I just eventually lose my mind from the stress? I don't know.
Really, did I want to live in a beautiful earth free from sickness, death and crime? Yep, did. But if I have to swallow changing doctrine at someone's whim, and worst of all, good old boys who treat young girls with no dignity and demean them without mercy, well, no thanks.
Am I happier now? Well, after all that has happened to my family, I am happy to be alive because for two years I didn't know if I could take the pain of the dissilutionment. But not happy. Someday I hope to be.
Thanks to people like you who are helping to expose the WTS, there is hope.
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Merry Becomes A Muslim (a bit long)
by Merry Magdalene inwho is merry?
i was born in 1965, the same year that malcolm x was assassinated.
my father had committed suicide a few months into my mother's pregnancy so we lived with her parents until she married again when i was about 18 months old.
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To each his own. Thank you for your explanation.
After the Witnesses, I researched many religions and asked questions.
I rented a video put out by a middle eastern Muslim group attempting to bring the plight of Muslim women to light. It seems that in some areas, women are little more than sex objects. In the video, the women were to, of course, be totally covered, and not even feet could show. The movie centered around a woman whose husband had died. She lived with her mother and daughter, about twelve years old. She was actually a doctor, but due to poor economic conditions was not being paid. Every time the religious authorities came to the hospital, she had to completely cover herself. She had no money and no recourse,and since she was a woman working was discouraged, so she cut her daughter's hair, disguised her as a boy and sent her to a man who knew her husband, so that she could work and try to make some money for the family. The religious leaders came through the village, taking all the young boys, and she was taken also. They were to be indoctrinated in the manly ways of Islam.
It was found out that the "boy" was really a girl, and she was taken to prison. There, an old man, a religious leader, decided that instead of being put to death as many other women were being (stoned, after being thrown into a hole, for any minor infraction-totally covered of course) she would go with him to his home and be another of his women. She was locked into a ratty looking compound with many young women and small children who were telling her (through sub-titles) that they hated the man, wished they'd never been born because they were women, and that she would shortly feel the same way.
Perhaps they are not all this way. Perhaps they do not all hate "infidels" and feel that they must be killed. Just like with the witnesses, not all want to cover over child abuse, etc.
I just don't see it.