i have been pointing out that the shunning doctrine is unscriptural and unloving (jw speak).
he texted that my whole family stayed in the "truth" it was me who left.. please give the concise words to answer him.
i know it won't really do any good to try to reason with him, it will just feel good to "nail it.".
My children were victims of shunning by association of me, their mother. I was disassociated due to their not handling matters with a molester, my father.
I went back through your first posts of many years ago. Your father was your molester? And now he is shunning you? Do I have this straight?
just wanted to introduce myself.... .
i am a secret fader but since reading this forum i feel i am alot more confident about telling my family/friends that i don t go to the meetings and inactive.. my hubby is also a fader with me...we kind of drifted after my first baby was born.
she is now 11.. it all started with my mom who started studying with my cousin when i was about 15. while she was studying i also started studying (i was about 16).
Starfish,
Wanted to add my welcome. I am so sorry that your mother was treated so badly, when they could have tried to help her instead. So many leave because of the harsh treatment. That is true of my family, also.
So glad that you have a happy daughter with a bright future ahead of her!
here is my own version of goldfinger as an instrumental.
there had never been a score (or song) quite like it before.. .
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1595587/barryesques/goldfinger%202010.mp3
Very nice...I remember the original well.
i detest the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
deeply.
anyone who has followed my posting here for the past 6 years can attest to that!.
Ok, as a young sister, I was curious about the library. For years I went in and looked through the books. Towards the end of my attending however they did become excessively protective. I would go in there and an elder would ask what I was doing. I state, just looking around, checking out the old books we don't have. Their reply would be something like, "this library is for study only, you need to leave" or "you know those belong to the congregation so you can't take any home."
Ironic, isn't it...they use the example of Jesus questioning the rabbi at the temple when he was young, and gush about his interest in spiritual things....yet they didn't want you to look into books that were put there as A LIBRARY. Obviously, they were just for show. And his answer, "This library is for study only, you need to leave" is idiotic. If you were looking at them, isn't that 'study'?
frere jacques, frere jacques,.
sonnez les matines!
sonnez les matines!.
Yes, I remember learning it as a child, though I don't remember where I was living at the time, but it was possibly Oceanside, California. I learned alot of different children's songs from around the world when I lived in California, and went to school on the Marine Corp base at Camp Pendleton...there were children there from everywhere...Marines stationed in different locations married the local women and the kids went to school on the base. I loved it there.
so some guy on youtube with user name "sweetmikser" posted a bunch of videos about the 2010 convention drama.
my grandma mentioned how much she loves the drama, so i thought i'd see what she was talking about.
wow!
Well, mostly the JW convention consists of.....Boring talk (audience begins to nod), followed by Experiences (interviews with people..audience perks up a little), followed by You should be doing more talks (audience somewhat agitated, thus more enlivened and squirming in their seats by the reminders that they can never measure up), followed by more boring talks (audience nodding with some actually snoring) followed by....THE DRAMA! (Music, people on stage sometimes in Biblical costumes, wildly waving their arms as they 'speak', people moving the fake rocks and furniture off and on the stage).
You can understand why this is defended now, can't you?
my grandparents are jehovah's witnesses and didn't raise their daughter to behave in such a manner.
i sent her this letter:.
g82 5/8 pp.
Sorry you see it that way. You also see things through a kaleidoscope most of the time so point not taken.
Oh, one of Jehovah's happy people!
Don't you get it? She wants to inflame....she wants to start something here. Evidently her life consists of going to the Khall, going home, going in service, same old, same old, yada yada....dull day after day and actually has no drama and she wants to create some. Add to that if she does go out in service, it is about 100 degrees here in Houston...enough to make anyone cranky.
She probably doesn't even have an aunt.
If she really does have this aunt, she probably won't for long...the poor woman will probably kill herself.
What's that scripture..."With the judgement that you are meting out, you will be given in return?" That should fit.
last saturday night my older sister,24 years old,not a jw,went to a party.to make a long story short she almost got raped by a guy who found the chance to do so (he has been accused of rapes in the past too).then my sister called 3 of her neo-nazi friends after the party to attack him.so they took knives,clubs,and crowbars and went at his house.he managed to escape and didn't apologise for anything.now they are planning to kidnap him,drive him in a deserted place and beat him really bad and make him regret it.what should i do now after all this?i can't sleep at nights..
Your sister seems to be in bad company all the way around.
If this man is hurt and the "neo=nazi friends" are arrested, she could be held responsible.
You can give her advice to find better associates but cannot live her life for her.
i have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).
my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.
we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.
I do not have your situation, but I can only imagine what it would look like:
Grandparents come to the door to pick up very small children. They give a terse, short hello to you as their mother, asking if extra clothes are in the bag, etc. No kisses, smiles, or hugs.
Children sense the tension. The next time, they see the same thing. If they do get close to the grandparents, they will want them to come in...see their room....play a game. More tension when the grandparents say they must go quickly.
Eventually, the children will really wonder what this is all about. They will ask questions such as, "Why don't you talk to Mommy?" or, "Don't you like Mommy?" They will have no choice but to tell them that you are in some measure "evil" or not approved by God.
I am so sorry this situation has come about for you. Your parents have been given a gift-that of children and grandchildren, and could have wonderful family times. The downside for them, of course, will come later in life. They will have ahunned their child, and eventually maybe lost contact with their grandchildren.
When they get older, when they can no longer care for themselves, the elders at the KHall will no doubt tell them that they have "family" who have the obligation to care for them, which of course means you.
No, and I don't think we're going to, either. JWism is very male-dominated.
