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FLASH - WTS LONDON HAS RESPONDED on UN

by hawkaw in

jw
friends

please go to the un letter & 1992 press release thread to see response.. a lot of you may have already been copied on the letter and steve's response back to them.. hawk

detective

Unbelievable. If we could only get copies of the original application...

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To rem: Re: Keirsey Personality Types

by Esmeralda in

jw
friends

hey rem,.

i saw your post in the astrology thread and decided to start a new discussion here about keirsey.

i noticed how many people have been enjoying the silly little emode tests and immediately thought they'd really be amazed by keirsey.

detective

I'm also an idealist. Strange that there are three listed here so far when you consider how they aren't supposed to be that common. Coincidence?

"Idealists are rare, making up no more than 8 to 10 percent of the population. But their ability to inspire people with their enthusiasm and their idealism has given them influence far beyond their numbers."

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

detective

Hawk,
Doesn't this directly conflict with what you were told by the UN? Weren't there two signatures, including writing staff and gov. body, on the original app? Isn't the London Bethel response contrary to facts that show that:
a) the fundamental principles of the criterion for NGO affiliation have remained essentially the same
b) the watchtower did have yearly contact with the UN in the form of reports

I need a bit of clarification on this issue and will keep tuned in but I have to say this is weak response to the charge. Aren't most of Gillies claims easily disproveable?

Hawk, will you be sending this little tidbit to the UN?

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Newspaper Coverage of the UN/WTBTS mess.

by LoneWolf in

i tried to post this on the "major un/wts news - we have a un letter".

thread, but it's not coming up for me.

the page and the listing of the posts are all there, but the boxes are empty.

detective

Hi,
Lonewolf may have used excerpts from this release in contacting the press. He made some nice additions to it that I haven't included here because I don't have them on hand. You can use any portion of this as you see fit. I agree that it would be helpful if people could try to spread the word to the media. Any exposure on this issue would be wonderful.
Detective
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October 16, 2001

For immediate release:
Contact:

Controversial Religious Sect's association with United Nations
Withdrawn as Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses protest.

Former members of Jehovah's Witnesses recently made a scandalous discovery when they learned the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, also known as Jehovah's Witnesses, had affiliated itself with the United Nations by soliciting to become an associated Non-Governmental Organization (NGO). Current and former sect members responded by flooding the United Nations and The Watchtower's headquarters in Brooklyn with phone calls in protest. Former members allege that for years the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has issued scathing statements in it's magazines and from the podium that malign the United Nations, dubbing it the "disgusting thing" and likening it to the "scarlet colored wild beast" of the bible. The Watchtower Organization seemingly bowed to pressure from former and current members by withdrawing its status just last week.

While a seemingly harmless affiliation to most of us, the
reckoning of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's quietly
associating itself with the U.N. is the making of a substantial scandal for the controversial religious organization. Former members of Jehovah's Witnesses argued that the Watchtower Society has repeatedly painted a vile description of the United Nations and it's goals before an audience of about six million adherents. Recently, however, the United Nations received an unprecedented number of phone calls from outraged former members who stumbled upon the news that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, who made an art out of skewering the United Nations in it's publications, has been an affiliated NGO since 1992. Former members noted this position is a far cry from standing apart from the "disgusting thing" as the organization has repeatedly described it.

Stunned former members of Jehovah's Witnesses who discovered
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's association with the
United Nations, initiated a grass roots effort to draw attention to the situation that could prove enormously embarrassing to both the religious sect and the United Nations. This revelation could be highly detrimental to the credibility of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in the eyes of both the United Nations and of the religious organization's millions of adherents. Former members allege that the sect misled the United Nations by petitioning to support and promote its purposes while simultaneously maligning it before the Watchtower Society's millions of faithful believers.

To further investigate this unfolding controversy, you may contact ____________.

Additionally, to verify and assist in your research you can contact the United Nations NGO Section at Tel: (212) 963-6842.

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Newspaper Coverage of the UN/WTBTS mess.

by LoneWolf in

i tried to post this on the "major un/wts news - we have a un letter".

thread, but it's not coming up for me.

the page and the listing of the posts are all there, but the boxes are empty.

detective

Here are some other media addresses that people might consider contacting. I focused on the state of Ohio as it might be of greater interest there due to the coverage of the pending supreme court issue.

Any takers in trying to contact them?

Newstips for The Cincinnati Post:
[email protected] < [email protected]>

Religion at the Cincinati Post:
[email protected] < [email protected]>

Kentucky Post (news tips):
[email protected] < [email protected]>

The Columbus Disptach, Religion editor:
[email protected] < [email protected]>

Managing editor of the Crescent News in Defiance, Ohio (okay, I just liked the name Defiance):
[email protected] < [email protected]>

That's all for the moment. Let's get the news out there! Lone Wolf, thank you so much for everything!

Detective

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