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  ...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

  by OUTLAW in

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  sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

  "but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

  article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

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  It is very easy to eat an unhealthy vegan diet.

  I'm very well aware of that. FWIW there's little point going vegan if one continues eating a heavily processed food diet, animal cruelty issues aside. For the sake of clarity, let's assume that I was writing of a healthy vegan diet based on whole grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruit. Add the occasional bit of processed and animal derived food for "balance" and variety, but limit it to 5% of overall caloric intake. Especially avoid soft drinks and any product high in corn syrup sweetener. Read the labels!

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  I feel... lost...

  by Strider Arekksu in

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  (sorry for mispellings, i am emotionally frustrated right now) *sigh* i recently have slowly been, not interested in the 'orginazational' routine of the jws.

  i have done personal research on the world, some secrets the government hide from the naive and all that good stuff.

  i'm pretty confident something bad is going to happen like the jw doctrine states.

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  I've been to Japan. It is a much different culture, and the congregations felt to me to be much more closely knit than I was ever used to in the United States. Nevertheless, I do not count that experience, positive though it was, as any kind of proof that Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth.

  Have you read the book Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz? If you are or have ever been a Witness, it is a must read, and practically everyone on this forum will agree with me on that point.

  I think you are wasting your time studying about Satan. In my personal research I have come to the conclusion that he does not exist. The concept of a powerful evil being is a useful tool for high control religions to keep you hooked on their brand of "truth." I'm not saying that there is no evil or perversion in the world, but it is entirely of human origin.

  Will there be major problems in the future? Yes, of this I have no doubt. Humanity has experienced major upheavals in the past, and our future will be no different, especially with problems relating to economic decline, energy and resource depletion, population growth and demographics, environmental degradation, ecological breakdown, biodiversity loss, etc. The problems have been studied by scientists for decades and generally ignored by profit oriented corporate culture and short term political thinking. What humanity faces is not a show down between Jehovah and Satan. It's the entirely predictable decline phase that occurs when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment. (See Dieoff.org) While I am a "doomer," I also believe that humanity will go on, and civilization will continue and change.

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  Poll Question: Would you personally want to live forever?

  by The Berean in

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  Ismael, it is hot, dry, and windy on this side. It is also surprisingly calm for a holiday weekend.

  You will get to be 100, barring accidents or a near term onset of something bad like cancer or a heart attack. There is some amazing new medicine waiting in the wings.

  Let's hope so!

  Dave
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  Poll Question: Would you personally want to live forever?

  by The Berean in

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  Saludos, Ismael! How are things on your side of the island?

  Dave
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  Poll Question: Would you personally want to live forever?

  by The Berean in

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  If I had to put a date on when I would want to die, I would say 2100. I will be lucky to see 2070. I wonder what life will be like if I reach 100. I can't imagine living forever.

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  ...New Study on Vegetarian`s...Not as Healthy as Some may Think...

  by OUTLAW in

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  sydney (afp) - people who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, australian researchers said thursday.. a joint australian-vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher tuan nguyen.. the issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, nguyen said.. there was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.. "the results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," nguyen wrote in the study, which was published thursday in the american journal of clinical nutrition.

  "but the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.. nguyen, who is from sydney's garvan institute for medical research and collaborated on the project with the pham ngoc thach university of medicine in ho chi minh city, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.. "given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.. .

  article taken from yahoo news ...........................outlaw.

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  About death statistics, one thing is for certain: everyone dies eventually. Both of my grandfathers died of complications from the treatment of cancers. They were 70 and 85 years of age. One grandmother died in her sleep at home from heart failure at 91 years of age. The other is still alive in her 90's but has suffered from Alzheimers for over 15 years.

  Of my parent's generation I would have to say that my parents have enjoyed the best health compared to my aunts and uncles. My mother was always conscientious about diet and exercise. Our family enjoyed a wide variety of vegetables, salads, meats, and other home cooked foods. Mom's a good cook! All in all we ate a balanced American style diet, and as children my siblings and I weren't allowed to pick and choose what we would eat off our plates. (To this day, though, I won't touch rutabaga! )

  Two of my father's older brothers have died in recent years, one from cancer and the other from heart failure. One other older brother currently has cancer. My father's oldest sister recently had a tumor removed. I'm not sure about her health specifics except that she is obese.

  So far as I am aware, everyone from my generation is alive and well. I know of a couple cousins who are obese, but I am not aware of any specific health disabilities.

  I know of at least two children in the family who are obese. There may be more since I haven't seen some family in years. It seems to be an early warning sign of things yet to come.

  So, what would happen if everyone in my genetically related family went vegan? I imagine most would lose weight. I think life expectancy would increase, especially for the men. I would hope that quality of life would improve too. Ultimately, though, people die. It may still be cancer and heart attack, but at a later age than before. Or there could be other chronic conditions that manifest themselves in the absence of heart disease, arteriosclerosis, and cancer. So, statistically that could be considered an increasing number of illnesses as causes of death, even though overall life expectancy increased.

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  I'm tired of cooking for a Mr. I don't eat fat, cheese, dairy.....21 year old worried about HB.

  by restrangled in

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  i love to cook, i have some very famous recipes that get requested for gatherings, etc.. thanksgiving, christmas.....we have to have mom's cooking as quoted by the men in my family.. well damn it all if my youngest son,..has decided he can't eat what i cook on a nightly basis.

  i get the cheese, fat, cholesteral questions, and then he makes his own dinner.. it's very insulting, and my kitchen gets trashed after.. it not like this kid is fat....6 foot 5 and he just told me he weighs 200 pounds.

  he is strong as an ox,....someone got him going on this kick, and i'd like to kick their hind end from here to the inside of my hot oven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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  It's great that he wants to learn about food preparation. Just let him know that clean up is part of the job!

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  Regarding Quoting Scriptures All the Time

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  are you really thinking for yourself when you quote scriptures all the time as your personal answer?.

  i bring this up for two reasons: first and foremost, it became almost a game in jw land, a competition to see who had the better (wt approved) passage when something came up.. almost always of course, if it was "of this world", well, we know the nwt in particular is full of how bad "the world" is.

  can't be part of "this world") its bad!.

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  Lol! Josie, I think you may have a point there!

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  Favorite Instrumental Songs

  by Nosferatu in

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  just finished listening to "last date" by floyd cramer.

  what a great tune!

  i also love music box dancer and pretty much anything by the ventures.

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  "Clockwork" by Alex de Grassi

  "Impending Death of the Virgin Spirit" by William Ackerman

  "Aerial Boundaries" by Michael Hedges
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  Regarding Quoting Scriptures All the Time

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  are you really thinking for yourself when you quote scriptures all the time as your personal answer?.

  i bring this up for two reasons: first and foremost, it became almost a game in jw land, a competition to see who had the better (wt approved) passage when something came up.. almost always of course, if it was "of this world", well, we know the nwt in particular is full of how bad "the world" is.

  can't be part of "this world") its bad!.

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  Jeff, your problem is that the scriptures being quoted are all really boring! Try these for a laugh:

  2 Chr. 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. Lesson- Eight year olds can be evil too!

  2 Chr. 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. Lesson- Don't go to the doctor!

  Psalms 78:66 And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts : he put them to a perpetual reproach. Lesson- God kicks ass! Or makes hemorrhoids! (lol! Reminds me of Dr. Evil!)

  Proverbs 12:21 There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief. Lesson- If you suffer misfortune, it's your own damn fault!

  Song of Solomon 8:8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts : what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? Lesson? Um, not so sure...

  Dave