PrimateDave

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  Was Mel the first Jew Basher?

  by underaglassmoon in

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  ok so the story go's .

  until jesus, jews were gods people.

  under the rule of the romans, these none pagans needed to go to the temple to serve the only god.

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  PrimateDave

  Welcome under,
  
  No, Mel was not, of course. It is not a good idea to bash Jews, or any one based on ancestry or religious preference. That said, I think you have a point there about Christianity having to discredit Judaism in order to gain converts. But, at the same time it has been said, and I can't remember where, that Christianity has actually kept Judaism alive over the centuries as well.
  
  Dave
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  What I've noticed about the posters here

  by Fleshybirdfodder in

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  first and foremost.... only half of you admit to having hairy chests,,,.

  i thank all of you for your honesty.

  fbf .

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  PrimateDave

  FBF, I have a somewhat hairy chest, but not a hairy back or "hairy hands" (Google ad. LOL!)
  
  Besides that, you're most welcome!
  
  Dave
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  Voluntary or Mandatory?

  by acadian in

  1. watchtower
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  if it is mandatory, no signature or contract is required.

  mandatory laws don't require a contract.

  mandatory laws don't require your signature.

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  PrimateDave

  Interesting topic, Acadian.
  
  Most of us never were taught how the "Law" really works, even though it affects every aspect of our lives.
  
  There is a useful forum for those interested in educating themselves about Law at:
  
  http://www.suijuris.net/
  
  Enjoy,
  Dave
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  Apostates do you still read Watchtower literature? And if so Why do you?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was just wondering how many ex-jws still read wt literature and if so why.

  i have noticed alot of posters here know what the lastest wt or awake magazines are talking about and i was just wondering why do you bother to read that stuff since you left the wt?

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  Okay, so I'm an apostate. I don't really read the literature, but my family still sends it to me. I glance through it. I find that it turns my stomach too much to actually read it word for word anymore. Did I believe that stuff once?!? So, I guess it is just a matter of morbid curiosity on my part to look through it. Like watching a car accident.
  
  Dave
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  Please answer this question from my brother

  by *jeremiah* in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi everyone, my bro just sent me this email.

  can you answer his question?

  "hey, i was looking through the jan. 1st 2007 watchtower because i saw on one of those forum sites a post about how the jan 1st watchtower was very poorly written and drew away some jws.

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  PrimateDave

  No, nothing new about it. But, for what it is worth, here is my spin on it:
  
  Since nothing visible is happening in the world to make the average JW think that God and Jesus are really there, the Watchtower Book Club made up a doctrine some years ago to help members imagine that something BIG is going on invisibly behind the scenes.
  
  Yes! A resurrection is taking place! Right Now! You can't SEE it but it is happening! All the Apostles and ancient Christians were resurrected after 1918/1919, but it was Invisible even though it happened! Trust Us! And every time one of the Anointed dies, he/she is resurrected on the spot, even though you can't see it! WoW! It is all happening right now!
  
  All the while, nothing happens, except for the millions that the Book Club keeps raking in tax free.
  
  Dave
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  Last days, great tribulation and the return of Christ

  by S EIGHT in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my journey out began when i came across a google news report highlighting the "quotes" legal case.

  although i had "questions" prior.

  so that's where i am at the moment although still very "in".

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  PrimateDave

  Hi S,
  
  Welcome to the forum! You will no doubt encounter quite a few different viewpoints here. You have already received some excellent replies. I would like to offer this possibility: Consider for a moment that Matthew 24 was written by and for people of the second century a.d., and that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to offer us in the 21st century except as a page in mankind's religious history.
  
  What would that mean for us? That there are no "last days". Therefore, there will be no "great tribulation", at least not one of a divine origin, and there will be no "return of Christ". What if each one of us, if we are lucky, will have mere decades of life on this planet, and no more. No one can say for certain that there will or will not be some "afterlife". Can you take the Bible's word for it, just because it says so? That is circular logic.
  
  So, those are my thoughts on the matter. The point is to make each day you have the best it can be and enjoy the life you have right now instead of waiting for something else that may never happen.
  
  Dave
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  Sign ot the times?

  by cubix in

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  i have been so upset by the lack of respect and value for human life following the events that have taken place over the past few years.

  surely, this is bible prophesy being fulfilled at its highest level.

  the bible says that the end of the world will come when those in power are proclaiming 'peace and security'.

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  I don't know what country you live in, but I recommend reading A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. It is rather eye opening to see just how bad things were in the past, too. Often, the "good old days" weren't so "good" after all. It can help us put our present circumstances into a broader perspective. I do not believe that the present state of mankind is perfect either. Certainly, the potential for disaster in human society exists on a larger scale than in centuries past. Fortune telling, Biblical or otherwise, is often so vague that you can make it fit whatever scenario you want it to.
  
  Dave
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  unexplained biblical wierdness...

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent post about moses got me thinking about all the wierd things in the bible that are just stated, but never explained.

  sure different religions make up excuses for these things, but for some reason god and/or the bible writers, didn't find it neccesary to explain it.. here's one of my favorites, it's the one with the talking donkey: .

  22 and the anger of god began to blaze because he was going; and jehovahs angel proceeded to station himself in the road to resist him.

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  The men of Babylon building a tower to reach God [who sits in his throne on top of the sky dome.] Then God has to confuse their language to get them to stop [because otherwise they might actually reach Him!]
  
  I wonder if God decided to move His throne before Sputnik was launched.
  
  Dave
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  Going to Church

  by PrimateDave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i made some new friends recently, a nice family that lives a couple of blocks away.

  the husband and i have hit it off like we've known each other all along.

  then, he asked what my religious affiliation is.

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  Well, I made some new friends recently, a nice family that lives a couple of blocks away. The husband and I have hit it off like we've known each other all along. Then, he asked what my religious affiliation is. So, I went into my life story. I was born in a Witness family, third generation. I explained how most of the family are still Witnesses, except for my brother and his wife. I told him about my nagging doubts about the kind of religion that the Watchtower Society promotes. I told him about the book I read, Crisis of Conscience, by Ray Franz, that turned my thinking around.
  
  It turns out that he goes to a Pentecostal Church. He, too, went on a spiritual journey in his younger days, even studying with the Witnesses at one time. I didn't go into a full explanation with him about my belief that the Bible is a man-made book. But I expressed my belief that one can enjoy a spiritual connection regardless of one's religion.
  
  To make a long story short, I accepted his invitation to go to his Church with him next Sunday. So, are there any Pentecostals here on the forum?
  
  Dave
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  Post your Computer setup

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since my dad passed away, i have his computer and desk now, added to mine.

  so, in my small computer room 12 x 10 feet, i have 2 desks and 2 computers....lmao.

  now, i don't know from which one to post from.. .

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  PrimateDave

  Dell Inspiron 9100 (heavy) laptop.
  
  3GHz P4, 512MB RAM, 60 GIG, ATI Mobile 9700, WinXP Home, Mozilla Firefox, etc.
  
  Dave (No, my computer's name is not Hal.)