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  WOULD NOAH'S FLOOD HAVE AFFECTED SPELEOTHERMS?

  by badboy in

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  speleotherms like that in a chinese cave go back 224,000 years.. would noah's flood have disrupted this process?.

  what do yec say?.

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  PrimateDave

  FairMind, I'm no longer interested in arguing the color of red herrings. The equivocation which you illustrate in your post is a prime example of what has put me off religion. Frankly, if the Flood of Noah was a localized occurrence as you suggest, then it really was no big deal after all. Human populations have experienced many floods since the start of the Holocene, often attributing them to angry gods in their myths.
  
  Dave
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  WOULD NOAH'S FLOOD HAVE AFFECTED SPELEOTHERMS?

  by badboy in

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  speleotherms like that in a chinese cave go back 224,000 years.. would noah's flood have disrupted this process?.

  what do yec say?.

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  PrimateDave

  I don't know Dr. Gills. He's probably a nice guy and a great doctor. I imagine that when he was a little boy, his Christian parents told him about God, Jesus, and Creation. I imagine that he believed them and apparently still does. He is a successful man who very likely has never had to challenge his first held beliefs. I imagine that his world view is shaped by them and ordered in his mind to fit them. That is quite different from simply looking at the world and asking "why?"
  
  Having been raised a Witness and spending 38 years of my life in the Org., I don't accept what any man says at face value anymore. My parents told me about Jehovah, Jesus, and Creation. As a young child I loved astronomy. I loved science class. In my teens I was very keen on the WTS big blue "Creation" book. I did well in Chemistry and Physics. I had a few blind spots, however, like History and Evolution. I refused to accept them, as far as they deviated from my first held beliefs of 6000 years of human existence. I ordered my world view around what my family told me was true.
  
  Well, you know what? Many of my first held beliefs were a bunch of shit, and I've learned to accept that. For me, the Theory of Evolution and other theories about the age of the Earth and the origin of life aren't a religion. They are simply the best explanations that I have found up to this time that make any sense to me. I expect no eternal reward for believing in them, and they make no demands upon me for "sacred service".
  
  So, whenever I hear or read of an opinion by someone who wears the big badge of "Christian" on their lapel, I can't help but assume they are carrying the same psychological baggage of first held beliefs that I once did and my parents and other family members still do.
  
  Dave
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  WOULD NOAH'S FLOOD HAVE AFFECTED SPELEOTHERMS?

  by badboy in

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  speleotherms like that in a chinese cave go back 224,000 years.. would noah's flood have disrupted this process?.

  what do yec say?.

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  PrimateDave

  From the web page posted about the good Dr. Gill:
  

  Dr. Gills has also written more than 120 medical reference journal articles, eight books and three brochures dealing with his personal commitment to Christian principles and physical fitness.

  
  LOL! [sarcasm]No conflicts of interest there![/sarcasm]
  
  Interestingly enough, the primate eye, in other words the eye that human beings, Chimpanzees, and other apes share, is not the pinnacle of "creation" as many Creationists believe. The most evolved visual system on the planet belongs to the Mantis shrimp which followed a much different evolutionary path than did humans.
  
  Dave
  
  P.S. Yes, a Noachian flood would have affected speleotherms present anywhere on the planet at its supposed time of occurrence. There is no evidence that any such global disaster occurred, however.
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  WOULD NOAH'S FLOOD HAVE AFFECTED SPELEOTHERMS?

  by badboy in

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  speleotherms like that in a chinese cave go back 224,000 years.. would noah's flood have disrupted this process?.

  what do yec say?.

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  PrimateDave

  FairMind said:
  

  I believe in the Bible account of a world flood but believe that only the world of mankind which at the time lived entirely in the Mesopotamia region was completed covered with water.

  
  The Bible says:
  

  God said to Noah, "I have decided to put an end to all flesh, for the earth is filled with lawlessness because of them: I am about to destroy them with the earth." (Genesis 6:13, JPS Tanakh)
  
  "For My part, I am about to bring the Flood-waters upon the earth-to destroy all flesh under the sky in which there is breath of life; everything on earth shall perish." (Genesis 6:17, JPS Tanakh)
  
  All existence on earth was blotted out-man, cattle, creeping things, and birds of the sky; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. (Genesis 7:23, JPS Tanakh)

  
  Of course, everyone is free to believe whatever they want, but the Bible account itself is pretty explicit in its meaning. Believe it 100 percent or not at all, but don't tell me it means something other than what it says.
  
  Dave
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  WOULD NOAH'S FLOOD HAVE AFFECTED SPELEOTHERMS?

  by badboy in

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  speleotherms like that in a chinese cave go back 224,000 years.. would noah's flood have disrupted this process?.

  what do yec say?.

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  PrimateDave

  Don't ya just love it when ordinary people question the well researched findings made by scientists who have studied complex natural processes for decades, the same science that has given them the computer that they are typing on, just because some religious nitwits want to believe that some ancient tribal deity did things exactly like their old book says.
  
  If there never had been a Genesis account of the Creation or the Flood in the Bible, not a single so-called Christian alive today would insist that the Earth was only 10,000 years old.
  
  Besides, badboy didn't specify which of the two Biblical Flood accounts he was talking about.
  
  Dave
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  Cancer Treatment and Salt Water Fuel

  by littlerockguy in

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  this is incredible.

  wonder how long it will take for the government or some big oil company to exterminatethis guy?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zigpzcsxtsq lrg

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  PrimateDave

  Water Fueled Car.
  
  Article about John Kanzius, the inventor of the cancer treatment machine in the OP's video.
  
  Relevant quotes from the article:
  
  

  Kanzius admits that this stage of development of his method, the process could not be considered an energy source, as more energy is used to produce the RF signal than can be obtained from the burning gas, and stated in July, 2007 that he never claimed his discovery would replace oil, asserting only that his discovery was "thought provoking."

  
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  Philip Ball, a consulting editor at Nature and author of "H2O: A Biography of Water", is highly critical of any theory of water as a fuel, both in general, and specifically as an alternative to traditional fuel sources. Although he says that Kanzius' discovery itself needs to be verified through careful experiments, he states that "water is not a fuel" and "[w]ater does not burn". Ball also states that according to the Laws of thermodynamics, it is "impossible to extract energy by producing hydrogen from water and then burning it, as this would be a basis for a perpetual motion machine." He is critical of lack of inquiry in the media reports about bogus science.[16] Ball writes "Here, however (for what it is worth) is the definitive verdict of thermodynamics: water is not a fuel."

  
  
  Another YouTube video about an inventor running his car on water.
  
  An explanation about how that process works.
  
  How to get hydrogen out of water.
  
  Quotes from the above article:
  
  

  Water electrolysis does not convert 100% of the electrical energy into the chemical energy of hydrogen. The process loses energy because ions in the water need to move to carry electricity, and this movement ultimately heats up the water.
  
  The energy efficiency of water electrolysis varies widely. Some report 50–70%[1], while others report 80–94%.[2] These values refer only to the efficiency of converting electrical energy into hydrogen's chemical energy. The energy lost in generating the electricity is not included. For instance, when considering a power plant that converts the heat of nuclear reactions into hydrogen via electrolysis, the total efficiency may be closer to 25–45%.

  
  
  The fact is that making hydrogen to "burn" in a car requires more energy than you will get out of the hydrogen. Where do you get the energy to make hydrogen? Nuclear power and fossil fuels, like always. This is not a conspiracy, this is science.
  
  Dave
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  The automobile has destroyed our country.

  by dawg in

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  ok, so maybe i'm waxing nostalgic, or maybe i'm trying to make up for the hugh hefner thread that got me blasted by many of you...lol!

  but i've been thinking lately of the impact autos have had on our society; i mean my generation is really the first generation where everyone has a car, my grandparents used to talk about the old days and remembered the first cat they ever saw.

  in fact, their honeymoon was spent walking down the railroad tracks and picking honeysuckles.

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  Has the automobile destroyed our country? Yes, no, and maybe.
  
  No, there is nothing wrong with the automobile. It is just another form of transportation.
  
  What may be a problem for our country is that we have developed this form of personal transportation, heavily subsidizing it, almost to the exclusion of all other kinds. Every community should have bicycle and pedestrian paths. Every community should be connected by some form of passenger rail transportation.
  
  Then you have the mentality of drivers who think that the road belongs to them, to the exclusion of pedestrians and bicyclists. "Hello!? Just because you own a Hummer, doesn't mean you own the asphalt, too!" Since we don't have a system of pedestrian and bicycle paths, motorists must share the road, but they don't want to.
  
  We have developed Suburbia, "the biggest misallocation of resources in human history," to quote author James H. Kunstler, because for a time we could. All of the factors came together; technology, cheap energy, and a growing economic system; to enable us to do what we wanted to do. We wanted the freedom that the automobile offered, even if it meant sacrificing other important things to get it.
  
  The problem with technology isn't the technology itself. It is our dependence on it to the point we simply cannot live without it. That is dangerous. Nothing in the Universe guarantees us that Tomorrow will be anything like Today. It is probable that the cheap energy we have relied upon in the past will be more in demand globally and increasingly in shorter supply in the future. If you don't like high prices, wait until the shortages come.
  
  If you think that there will be a technological fix for this, you don't understand the equation: Technology does not equal Energy. If history has taught us anything, it is that Technology enables increasing energy usage. Sure, you can increase efficiency, but you cannot overcome the law of diminishing returns. Add to that an economy that simply HAS to Grow, and any gains from improved efficiency are quickly consumed by growing demand.
  
  I don't think we will see any rational plan for our predicament because our leaders are pretty much disconnected from the realities on the ground for now, and their Economists are the priests of the religion of Unlimited Economic Growth. The only living thing that doesn't want to stop growing is a cancer, and we know what that does to a body.
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  New and Curious

  by ttw1981 in

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  i'm trying to read through some posts on this board to see what the central focus is, who comes here, etc.

  it looks like many people here are ex-jw's, but are all?

  or is it a combination of both?

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  PrimateDave

  What made me leave? Basically, I didn't believe in the Bible or its God anymore. Going through the motions on the "Theocratic" treadmill just wasn't worth it because life is too short. Besides, there is no real community among the Witnesses. The only common interest of the people going to "Kingdom Halls" is the propaganda of a publishing company.
  
  Dave
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  Ouija board on YouTube

  by PrimateDave in

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  since i never have used a ouija board, i thought it might be fun to check out videos made by people who have used them.

  warning to lurking witnesses: the devil will possess your computer if you watch someone playing with a ouija board on youtube!

  and everyone knows that the devil hides pornography on computers just waiting to be found by unsuspecting friends and relatives.

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  Since I never have used a Ouija board, I thought it might be fun to check out videos made by people who have used them. Warning to lurking Witnesses: The Devil will possess your computer if you watch someone playing with a Ouija board on YouTube! And everyone knows that the Devil hides pornography on computers just waiting to be found by unsuspecting friends and relatives. lol.
  
  Ouija Board Trip
  
  Dave
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  Let's Limit Young People , or Crazies from Killing Each Other in Schools

  by flipper in

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  Without having read the entire thread, I will jump in and say that there is Absolutely Nothing that will Ever make schools, malls, prisons, institutions, or anywhere else, completely safe. Period. Don't blame it on guns. Don't blame it on God or Religion. Don't blame it on Evolution or Atheism. Have none of you ever read History? Why, even scientist studying prehistoric societies find people bludgeoned to death by axes and clubs. That is not to say that all human cultures have been equally violent everywhere. There are causes behind violent behaviors. What aspects of our culture can make some people feel trapped in a self destructive course of action?
  
  Prisons are violent because you have a population jammed together in a place none of them wants to be. Schools are violent because you have a population jammed together in a place many of them don't want to be. People can often feel trapped by their financial, familial, and religious ties. Humans are animals. We are primarily emotional, not rational, beings. A physically cornered animal is dangerous. With humans it is even worse. We can perceive the invisible barriers that our culture imposes upon us that aren't necessarily visible to others outside our immediate social group. The violence begins in the deep recesses of the mind provoked by the fight or flight response. Beneath a veneer of rational thinking, how many of us truly understand the source of our emotions and instincts? Would an even Higher Control Culture (the Police State that some people want in order to feel safe) eliminate the violence? Or, would it increase the frequency of outbreaks of apparently mindless violence that so appalls us? I think we are now between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
  
  I grieve for the innocent victims of these tragic crimes, and I grieve for the perpetrators as well for they are also human beings.
  
  Dave