When the bible says all things were created "through" Jesus, what does it mean and why? Sounds to me like Jesus was some sort of tool or interface for God. Mans puny little brain: Man presently does not understand the substance of gravity. He can only measure it. Einstein implied gravity is a warping of spacetime. The connections between gravity, space and time are not something humans can get minds around easily, for now. Just as man has peered into the atom, I believe there is a possibilty someday there will be men who understand truths regarding time, space, and gravity. Not just measuring it, but understanding the substance of it, what it is. If God has always been, does it not make sense that he resides outside of the "universe", where time is just another physical property like gravity?
catbert
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Let cut JWs some slack on Christ's status. They might be right.
by Spectrum inthe alternative light i have received regarding early christianity has made me wonder whether jws have unwittingly got it right regarding the status of jesus.
a lot of strong criticism is made on this forum about jws sidelining of jesus in preference for jehovah the jewish god.
they have been equated with judaism because of their lack of inclusion of christ in their worship as well as their draconian code of expected conduct.
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Let cut JWs some slack on Christ's status. They might be right.
by Spectrum inthe alternative light i have received regarding early christianity has made me wonder whether jws have unwittingly got it right regarding the status of jesus.
a lot of strong criticism is made on this forum about jws sidelining of jesus in preference for jehovah the jewish god.
they have been equated with judaism because of their lack of inclusion of christ in their worship as well as their draconian code of expected conduct.
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How about some metaphysical thought. God was not created. He exists outside of time and space. No one can see god and live. Jesus was created as a physical interface into a universe with physical laws such as time. He is Gods tool for creation and communication. When it came time to create this universe, God first created his tool, Jesus.
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Dubs and witchcraft
by kittyeatzjdubs indoes anyone remember the awake (or was it watchtower?
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i remember the picture of the women dancing on the front cover in front of the alter w/ the pentagram and everything on it.
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kittyeatzjdubs, What does "luv jojo" mean?
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Does the Rainbow Covenant Disprove the Flood?
by Severus inthe story goes that god provided the rainbow as a symbol of his promise to never again destroy the world by flood.. noah and his family saw the rainbow after they left the ark.
after the waters had receeded.
after it had stopped raining for months.... yet a rainbow is simply sunlight spread out into its spectrum of colors and diverted to the eye of the observer by water droplets.
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I need to adapt to this forum. I am new here. There seems to be sincere people here. I am not used to that with my experience in other forums. lovelylil and Schizm, both of you had thought provoking responses.
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Supernatural experiences
by catbert inmany ex-jw's experience a new found freedom to investigate and question all the things they once felt were true, and may ultimately come to the conclusion that the bible is just a book of stories and take science as their new "religion".
it happened to me...) but a question i have is this: are all supernatural experiences hallucinations?
science would say probably yes.
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lovelylil, I sincerely wish you well. Your reply was touching. I am in my 40's now, but in my 20's I was a very depressed ex-JW. I have a feeling this forum is going to be a good place for me.
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Dubs and witchcraft
by kittyeatzjdubs indoes anyone remember the awake (or was it watchtower?
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i remember the picture of the women dancing on the front cover in front of the alter w/ the pentagram and everything on it.
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Kittyeatzdubs,
I was a JW many years ago. I was raised JW. I consider myself to be a man of science now. But I still wonder about people's supernatural experiences. Science does not explain supernatural experiences, other than claiming they are hallucinations. -
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Dubs and witchcraft
by kittyeatzjdubs indoes anyone remember the awake (or was it watchtower?
) article that the borg put out about witchcraft?
i remember the picture of the women dancing on the front cover in front of the alter w/ the pentagram and everything on it.
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Kittyeatzdubs, Please elaborate! Or do you have other threads showing your experiences?
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Dubs and witchcraft
by kittyeatzjdubs indoes anyone remember the awake (or was it watchtower?
) article that the borg put out about witchcraft?
i remember the picture of the women dancing on the front cover in front of the alter w/ the pentagram and everything on it.
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Kittyeatsjdubs, Have you ever had a "supernatural experience"?
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Supernatural experiences
by catbert inmany ex-jw's experience a new found freedom to investigate and question all the things they once felt were true, and may ultimately come to the conclusion that the bible is just a book of stories and take science as their new "religion".
it happened to me...) but a question i have is this: are all supernatural experiences hallucinations?
science would say probably yes.
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Many ex-JW's experience a new found freedom to investigate and question all the things they once felt were true, and may ultimately come to the conclusion that the bible is just a book of stories and take science as their new "religion". (It happens. It happened to me...) But a question I have is this: Are all supernatural experiences hallucinations? Science would say probably yes. Have any of you had supernatural experiences?
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Does the Rainbow Covenant Disprove the Flood?
by Severus inthe story goes that god provided the rainbow as a symbol of his promise to never again destroy the world by flood.. noah and his family saw the rainbow after they left the ark.
after the waters had receeded.
after it had stopped raining for months.... yet a rainbow is simply sunlight spread out into its spectrum of colors and diverted to the eye of the observer by water droplets.
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Lovelylil, I'll ask you. Have you ever wondered why an all powerful God would flood a planet with water with the intent to kill everything that walks and crawls, but leave the sharks in the ocean alive? Maybe I have been away from "The Truth" too long. I now tend to question everything, which I think is a good thing...