"JW's teach that Jesus began ruling from heaven 'invisibly' in 1914. if no one knows the day or the hour the son of man will arrive - then how is it justified that Jesus began his 'invisible ruling' from heaven in 1914? doesn't that mean he's already arrived? *confused*"
Well, I don't really see what there is to be confused about. You see, first He arrived in 1874, and 1914 was to be the year that ended everything. Then, they discovered with the progressive nature of truth (ie, when nothing you say comes to fruition, you scramble and retroactively fit a "fulfillment" of said prophecy.) that yes, 1914 wasn't the date for the end of the world. Just for Christ's "parousia" or "presence"....the "invisible setting up of His kingdom in the Heavens".....alright? Then He sat down with his spectacles and dusty tombs of the worlds religions, did a good three four years of review, and "invisibly" chose the "visible" watchtower earthlings as being brought out of "babylon the Great" aka, cleansed of Christendoms demons.
So, they discovered the truth of the "parousia" of Christ,,,,selecting the "presence" not having to be visible. Works ever so well for them. He's an invisible power pawn.
Yes, the Bible says that "as lightning shine from the east even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." "He will come with great power and glory, and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM"
But it would be such an exegesis made headache (and no they DON'T have an excedrin for that) for them to consider these verses in light of the convenience an invisible Christ affords them. Why would they want to make things harder for themselves?
Coincidentally, 19.14 buys you practically invisible gas fumes today...
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silly question?
by truthseeker789 injw's teach that jesus began ruling from heaven 'invisibly' in 1914. if no one knows the day or the hour the son of man will arrive - then how is it justified that jesus began his 'invisible ruling' from heaven in 1914?
doesn't that mean he's already arrived?
*confused*
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Never Forget, Religion is a Hole
by Gregor init is easy to get too curious and fall in.
you might wander around down there for years, have a family, make friends.
then you will find it is hard to get out.
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Thats a bit too general Gregors
I would say that since there is power in beliefs, there will always be swindlers trying to capitalise.
Just like in any other market...
Besides, sometimes religion isn't about answers to lifes questions, sometimes its about getting drunk and worshipping Dionysus by sleeping with the temple prostitutes...
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i wont be a holy roller, but i am searching for something.
by blumandy inhi all, ive been disfellowshipped 11 years, and ive blindly went through life, but with in the past 5 years, getting married, having kids, ive started to want to learn of god.i feel being raised in the jw's i wasnt ever taught, and what i did learn was force fed, and i dont think it was 100% truth.truth to them, but not exactally biblical.
anyhow, ive started doing my research , im reading the book of john now, and its pretty amazing, mind u im reading some verses over and over, to make sure i am understanding them, but it feels great.
great to know i can freely read my bible, of my choosing, and benifit on my own.ofcourse, i think its freaking my husband out, he knows ill never be a jw, (its a cult ,i feel)and a holy roller im not.
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Yes, the beauty is that you can read WHOMEVER you please. Even authors from *gasp* Christendom...
I hope your getting more out of the Bible than you did as a Witness. Are you coming away with anything different than what you were taught at the time?
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Disgusting comment regarding the baptism at the DC
by under_believer inat the service meeting the other day the "friends" were given an opportunity to discuss the district convention (portland, or, june 30-july 2).
) people baptized at that convention.
a bigger number than i remember for at least a decade.
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"but that baptism was like a kiddie pool!"
geez was there a slip n'slide too? cotton candy? 4/5 teenagers or younger. That's gross. I'm sure it will be touted as a fine example.
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Have any of you been to e-watchman?
by Silvia Plath inhttp://www.e-watchman.com/.
this site is also made up of many ex and current jw's, the difference is they all remain deeply committed to christianity and bible study, but are extremely distrustful of the watch tower orginanization and consider it to be a "pharisee" or a "false prophet" what the bible warns of.
from what i am reading they seem to be the beginning movements of a break away sect, many of them praise russell who seems to have been more spiritual and laid back and trace the demise of the movement with rutherford, who began introducing all the messed up rules they have now.
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"many of them praise Russell who seems to have been more spiritual and laid back"
maybe so. He was still a false prophet unfortunately. As well as into pyramidology, other occultic symbols.
*sigh* he was wrong. the WT continues to be wrong. It'd be like trading in your vehicle with a transmission problem, for another vehicle that doesn't have a transmission problem, but it doesn't have brakes neither.
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Anyone have a technique to explain mind control, without implicating WTS?
by whyizit inevery once in awhile i will be talking to my jw friends and the subject of other religions will come up.
they love to take jabs at other religions, as most of you know.
i remember one time we were talking about a cult (not wts) and i mentioned that this guy i knew got kicked out for smoking a cigarette, eternal damnation loomed over his head, while this other guy received a very minor reprimand for screwing some other guy's wife.
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"Every once in awhile I will be talking to my JW friends and the subject of other religions will come up. They love to take jabs at other religions, as most of you know. ; I remember one time we were talking about a cult (not WTS) and I mentioned that this guy I knew got kicked out for smoking a cigarette, eternal damnation loomed over his head, while this other guy received a very minor reprimand for screwing ;some other guy's wife. ; ;Like it was no big deal! ; How crazy is that? (Jaws dropped! ; I knew I touched a nerve, without ever saying a word about the WTS.) ;"
smellsgood: I'm not kidding about this...The fact that the WT kicks out people for smoking cigarettes (aka, loses paradise earth, annihilation in place) was, for me at the time, as I was very deeply upset by the religion and its legalism, the REASON I STARTED smoking...I actually "learnt" to smoke while READING COC! That was when I was 18, I had ordered COC, and I had read somewhere (maybe even on this board) that a man was df'd for smoking around the age of 60, and subsequently was so broken up about it that he committed suicide.
I wanted to wear crosses and smoke in their face if they showed up. (the JW) they really have not come by at all since I did, and I haven't seen them around lol
This was my main reason. I've never really been able to explain this to people, I don't really try. When you smoke, you get asked why you started in the first place? alot.
I wasn't around people who smoked at all at the time. My brother had been smoking at that point for two years, but he was out of the house.
He supplied my sort of "secondary reasons" for starting. He told me alot that I would sound more like Beth Gibbons from 'Portishead' if I smoked.
hmmm, nope.
Anyways, I just realised that this is one forum where perhaps this motivation will *kind of* make some sort of sense.
I realise now how silly that was. I'm only hurting myself, etc.
ahem, 'nuf about me.
The book I would recommend cos it really does have alot of cults and you can easily cross reference, and it is massive as well, would be "Kingdom of Cults" by Walter Martin, I believe. It does have a Christian bent to it, but it really is quite packed with information. There is an unbelievable amount of similarities between the cults.
of course the internet is a great tool too...look up WWCOG
Mormonism has many similarities.
You're right, it is truly a very good way to get through to people. Since it is not "their" religions, those mental 'stop signs' don't automatically go up.
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Freaking "friend" won't stop calling...
by sinis inthe onlu thing i can think of is that he wants me to got to the dc this weekend.
piss on that.
he still goes to the jw meetings but he is an alcoholic and if i had kids, which i don't, i wouldn't leave them alone with him for two seconds.
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"He still goes to the JW meetings but he is an alcoholic"
well, you need a parachute to skydive I s'pose.
Is he an elder or whatever? Are you faded, da'd, df'd? Your wife is probably sensing something about him if he gives her the creeps. Probably is one.
If you can without giving away anything if you're a fader, tell him to stop calling straight up.
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Dance, you Sinners! DANCE!!
by Nathan Natas in.
from the museum of insanity, we make this humble offering:.
http://manybooks.net/pages/faulknert1875918759/0.html
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I just remembered something
This is not the only things these sums a britches go crazy 'bout
I remember reading this one flaming numbskulls tale of horror after seeing "demons" rising out of a CHRISTIAN rock bands stage set. And he wasn't smoking anything!! just forgot spit not swallow certain toxic chemicals as a kid I suppose.
Another thing people of course go crazy about is tattoos/piercings *uuuurrrrrrghhhhhhhhh*
When I had my nose pierced I got into a very uncomfortable "debate" with one of my Aunts. She basically said it gave people a certain "impression" blah blah.
Looking back I should have said something wicked clever like, like, like, *sneer* "your ASS gives people a certain impression."
That would have been supernova.
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Earth Threatened by Meat Diets?
by startingover inthis was in the letters to the editors of our local paper this morning.
make sure you read the part about the meat diets.
earth threatened by pollution and meat diets.
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ha ha. My brother would be very happy to hear this subject line.
Reading this, I can't see much of the blame with the whole burning the trees and humans eating at Arby's,,,the article unwittingly uncovers the true menace to the earth:
"It emits methane from the digestive tracts of cattle and nitrous oxide from animal waste cesspools."
or in the "common tongue," those cows have farted us all the way to certain environmental disaster. Beastly of them wouldn't you say?
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Hello I'm back...
by mrsjones5 indid ya miss me?
oh i could write a book on my adventures in cali and i will write a topic detailing all that happened but here's a teaser to wet your appetite (sp?
) - my parents called the cops on me (yes girl me .
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Hi there Josie
"The raised voices was about a missing iPod. ; My sister had just flew out that day and told me before she left that she lost her iPod, mostlikely on the plane when she flew out to Cali"
smellsgood: That sucks that your parents got bent out of shape about this, I mean, clearly if your sister has lost these things before, she knows whats up. I'm not familiar with your story but maybe your parents are just using opportunities to give you trouble? Kind of sounds like they are trying to put into question your character/honesty over this,,,not to mention getting on your kids. Wow, that would truly arouse indignation on my part...
Its funny because I went through some family trouble recently too.
Never cussed around my extended family before but I told my Aunt to STFU, and F-OFF several times last time I saw her.
Eh, she started it.
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