"If I remember my history, the Mayans didn't do this, it was the Aztecs. The Mayans would occasionally throw virgins into deep limestone cisterns."
The Aztecs, Incas and Mayans sacrificed humans and would pull out the heart while still beating. I saw the movie and it was gory but it did tie in the human sacrifice to the fact that there crops were having trouble. That's when they would sacrifice humans.
In the movie it was a small tribe whose choice men were led away for sacrifice. The reality was that there was no discrimination as to sex or age with sacrifice. Meaning, that being of a certain sex or age didn't offer security.
They sacrificed children. There are skeletons of the age of 6.
If the child had some sort of dental problem, such as an abcess and were crying alot during a sacrifice, this was supposedly a good sign.
Of course they shoved people in the well too. Just as in the movie, the men would be painted blue before being put on the stone, cut under the ribcage. Also accurate in the movie is the priest who is in a trance and channelling spirits during the whole ordeal. Really disturbing stuff!
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"Apocalypto" Ain't religion great?
by Gregor inhaven't seen the movie but i understand it grapically depicts human sacrifice.
i believe the movie attributes the practice of cutting out the victims heart atop a mayan pyramid by a mayan high priest.
if i remember my history, the mayans didn't do this, it was the aztecs.
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God Is Love
by under_believer ina meditation on love, using only scriptures.
from the nwt, for easy readability for any witness readers out there.
1 john 4:8 - he that does not love has not come to know god, because god is love.. .
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I think many people misunderstand the nature of love.
Is love just a fancy, just a feeling? What pop artists sing about?
Love is a temple, Love is a higher law :) Love is the higher law.
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BEST BUY employees not allow to say "MERRY CHRISTMAS"
by lighthouse19something inbest buy employee threatened with being fired if they say 'merry christmas" to customers.
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people need to get over the notion that nothing in life should ever offend them, that they should never be put upon, or heaven forbid, wished to have a merry-something they don't celebrate-. I just picture big whiners with nauseatingly unchallenged lives (americans) thinking, how can I live in a bubble, nooo no, a bigger bubble, a reinforced airtight exclusive bubble!
Let me never have an adversarial point of view postulated, let no one ever offer me something I don't really want, let nothing interfere with my perfect whitewashed bubble. Since when do private corporations have to be so scared about anything with religious undertones, when they CAPITALISE ON IT in an extreme way, that they have no freedom, and it does take away personal freedom, to wish someone have a merry Christmas??
Happy holidays? That's gotta go soon too I should think, y'know, 'holy-days'
Now I'm afraid that if I try and wish someone a good Tuesday they'll be offended since Tuesday isn't their favourite day, and I'll have to reform to happy weekday!
I bet those people wonder why their sh*t stinks.
If someone wished me happy Channakuh, I couldn't be less put upon, I'd wish it back.
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Scientist I Interviewed on Evolution, the Bible, & Climate Change
by Seeker4 inive got some interesting quotes about global climate change, evolution and the bible from a well-known scientist i interviewed last week.
thought some here would enjoy these, as these are issues we often debate on jwd.
im doing an article for a magazine about scientist tom wessels and his new book, the myth of progress.
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"That’s why creation science has been thrown out in the courts, because it doesn’t follow the scientific approach. Creation science has a priori ideas"
You cannot test so many things "scientifically" is what so many people forget. Based on Scientific evidence, how does one determine or measure love for another person for instance?
I don't want to live in a world where the only measure of truth is the conclusions of scientific method. How dull.
I like philosophy too much :) So many things can be explored "a priori" (without experience). Immanuel Kants 'Logic' & 'Critique of Pure Reason'
The scientific community harrases those who don't fall in with the evolutionary party line anyways. They are as dogmatic about it as any fundy religion.
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pic of rare baby albino deer
by purplesofa insent: tuesday, december 05, 2006 12:38 pm.
subject: fw: albino whitetail deer.
this deer was found by a family in sweet home, oregon.. .
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That is so cute, I'm so glad it didn't get hit.
But, um, since its albino it probably has vision problems and maybe shouldn't have a bright flashbulb going off to close to its face.
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Put a wreath on my car!! What WILL they think??? LOLOLO
by Lady Liberty ini hope you are all doing well!!.
this is the first year we are officially celebrating christmas.
after much research last year, we decided christmas was no more "pagan" then any normal wedding ceremony observed by any good jw!!
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Yes, but are you wearing a reindeer jumper?
I'm so glad to hear frosty has made his grand appearance on your lawn!
Is he anamatronic or does he belt out any jolly tunes?
a wreath on your SUV? lol! I don't think your celebrating Christmas can in any way be in doubt Liberty!
Have a merry one!
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Americans Celebrate !
by 5go inthe last day of the worst congress in history!.
i hope the republicans disolve as a party for this corruption.. .
i know that i will never support them again.. .
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What kind of government? ALL WOMEN! Oh, and I don't consider Hillary Clinton female, I think she could even be a different species, like buffalo.
I like John McCain, he's literally the only politician right now in Washington that I have the slightest bit of trust in. Oh, and there's another one from Arizona, he's quite cool, I forget his name but he's a Mormon.
I steer more towards a republican philosophy, but don't like either of the parties right now. I voted Nader for pres.
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What song best epitomizes what keeps you going
by Lady Lee ini know a lot of song threads have been posted but i am interested in what and why a particular song moves you to keep going when you have lost so much.. if possible find the lyrics to the song and post them along with your what song and why it was so important.
as a kid i had an old 78 record player that i had to wind up to play (i did say old.
) there was one old record that had a song by ed ames 'the impossible dream" i was in foster care and had no contact with my family.
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omg, lost_light06 you posted the song I was going to(Let Down by Radiohead). Not that I have been through what you'all have or anything. It's always been my favourite song on OKC though :)
have you ever gotten a chance to see them live?
What about you Daystar, goodand badgirl?
I love Johnny Cash's version of "Bridge over Troubled Waters"
just because i'm craving something i've quit
"Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk" Rufus Wainwright
Cigarettes and Chocolate milk
these are just a couple of my cravings
everything it seems i like's a little bit stronger
a little bit thicker
a little bit harmful for me
if i should buy jellybeans
have to eat them all in just one sitting
everything it seems i like's a little bit sweeter
a little bit fatter
a little bit harmful for me
and then there's those other things
which for several reasons we won't mention
everything about them is a little bit stranger
a little bit harder
a little bit deadly
it isn't very smart
tends to make one part so broken-hearted
sitting here remembering me
always been a shoe made for the city
go ahead, accuse me of just singing about places
with scrappy boys faces
have general run of the town
playing with prodigal songs
takes a lot of sentimental valiums
can't expect the world to be your raggedy andy
while running on empty
you little old doll with a frown
you got to keep in the game
maintaining mystique while facing forward
i suggest a reading of 'a lesson in tightropes'
or 'surfing your high hopes' or 'adios kansas'
it isn't very smart
tends to make one part so broken-hearted
still there's not a show on my back
holes or a friendly intervention
i'm just a little bit heiress, a little bit irish
a little bit tower of pisa whenever i see you
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JW dress fads
by rassillon ini was just looking at the revelation book and some of the illustrations reminded me of some of the dress fads which i have seen growing up as a jw.
what fads did you see at the halls?.
the one that got me to thinking was the sun dress on page 51. .
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**I always dug the Four-in-hand tie with the ufinished Windsor knot...ala' ascot style...
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The same moron used to bad-eye me for wearing a good pair of boots and Stetson hats....
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Mormons != JW. Read these genuine quotes from active and inactive members!!
by Qcmbr inwith interest i find that once again the lds faith is cast as the twin tower of mordor to the watchtower orthanc.
we are not the same my precious.
read these quotes below to see just how different we really are.
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Qcmbr,
I think I may know why you didn't get it....I have assumed all along that you were an ex-JW turned Mormon post Watchtower, and that is where I was coming at you from, but it seems that maybe you were never a Witness?
I know, if you assume you make an ass out of u-and-me. But mostly me this time :)
And the perfect Platform, Susans comment here:
"And, c'mon people! Isn't his "differences" list pretty clear in showing that there are actually many key differences in major doctrinal points between LDS and JW?
Susan, please pay close attention to what I am going to write here
THE
"MAJOR DOCTRINAL POINTS"
DIFFERENCES
ARE NOT
WHAT HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY POINTED OUT AS THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE LDS AND THE WATCHTOWER
Ok, Let's see the perfectly GAPING differences between
the "MAJOR DOCTRINAL POINTS"
of the WATCHTOWER SOCIETY
and the UNIFICATION CHURCH, otherwise known as the MOONIES
and then after we observe these IRRECONCILABLE DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES
let's examine why I CAN SAY WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THE WATCHTOWER and the UNIFICATION CHURCH
are INCREDIBLY SIMILAR, AND THE REASONS AND EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT IS SO
DESPITE
THE "MAJOR DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES"
savvy?
Moonies VS: Watchtower
*Source of authority claimed - Well well well, Mormonism claims the angel Moroni was the one to reveal those missing stone tablets to Joseph Smith, but REVEREND MOON was visited by BIGGER AUTHORITY APPARENTLY::::the big J.C.himself, at age 15 on Easter Sunday no less! JESUS charged SUN MYUNG MOON tooooooo
finish the work Jesus had started! Sun spoke with Jesus and John the Baptist in the Spirit World!
WT CLAIMS: Came out of the Whore Christendom and was CHOSEN BY JESUS IN 1918/1919 as Jehovah's "MOUTHPIECE" "faithful and wise servant" to give the sheep "food at the proper time"
And C.T. Russell believed himself to be himself alone the "faithful and wise servant" :)
Qcmbr said for Mormonism: Heavenly Vision.
hmmm, like Reverend Moon then more than Charles.
* Understanding of purpose of life - The Moonies, there is a chance for spiritual salvation, since Jesus did not complete his mission on earth, there is as of yet no physical salvation in place
Once man has achieved earthly perfection, he "becomes one body with God, possesses deity, and cannot commit sins. This man is not in need of redemption or of a savior, nor does he need the life or prayer and faith required by fallen men, because he is without original sin. Such a man, being himself without original sin, comes to multiply children of goodness without sin; in consequence, his children are not in need of a savior for the redemption of their sins" (pp. 140-141).'The Purpose of Jesus' Coming as the Messiah'
The WATCHTOWER:
to spend forever in what seems to be a A___B time frame still in a perfected body petting wild animals, eating vegetables,,,,and attending the kingdom hall yet. Where is God? He is in Heaven with the 144K!
Qcmbr said of Mormonism: Become like God
alrighty then.
*JESUS
THE MOONIES:
As with the Watchtower, and for that matter the Mormon church, there is the public spin on whom Jesus is taught to have been and done, and then there is the reality once you become a member.
Reverend Moon actually teaches Jesus to be a failure. He didn't accomplish his true mission, he didn't get married. And since you can't get to "Heaven" if you haven't been married, and Jesus didn't, so he went to "paradise" a "lower form" of heaven instead. Actually, Reverend Moon kindly had Jesus retro married to a woman from the unification church, so it seems he's been cleared for landing beyond the pearly gates.
Moon actually believes that he is the Messiah truth be told, and he is finishing Jesus' work, he is married and Jesus was not.
Moons son who died in a car accident before he was married is said by Moon to be a Lord in the spirit world, and Jesus himself even bows down to him.
WATCHTOWER:
Jesus is Michael the Archangel in pre-existent form. He is the "first creation" of Jehovah. Jesus created all [other] things ;)
MORMONISM:
Jesus is a creation, the product of god and his goddess wife after they became so from being people...from another world.
Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, and of humans.
God--the Father
has a BODY of FLESH AND BONES and together daddy and mommy god procreate baby gods who inhabit humans here on earth.
One of three gods of their separate Tritheist Godhead.
MOONIES = SHUN
WATCHTOWER=SHUN
MORMONISM= NOT UNIFORMLY BUT YES, SHUN. Particularly the Fundamental branches
*Path to God - MOONIES
First of all get married, be a Moonie. Be principled, recognise the "true parents."
WATCHTOWER
Follow all Watchtower rules, work out your salvation with "good works" which translates to preaching and more preaching. Must be a member of Jehovahs Spirit directed organization. Must believe their doctrine to a T and not question it.
MORMONISM:
Qcmbr said: Faith in Jesus
Hmm, exactly what a Witness would claim actually.
But, as with the Watchtowers own literature proving that to be misleading, so does the literature of Mormonism and believers of it prove your claim to be misleading
"Good works are necessary for salvation", Articles of Faith, p. 92.)
"There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God", (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188.)
"The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins" (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79.)
* Scripture - MOONIES
Divine Principle, Sun's speeches. Not the Bible so much
WATCHTOWER
Watchtower and Awake and the neverending books they produce. The Bible as interperted by the FDS.
MORMONISM
Since the Bible is corrupted, and besides the revelation wasn't finished, The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, the Bible...where it doesn't conflict with the other books.
* Revelation -
I don't know why Qcmbr thinks the WT teaches "revelation" has "stopped" doesn't he know the WT is getting progressive revelation, new light, and are spiritually guided by the holy spirit itself?
MOONIES:
Revelations galore. Mostly because Jesus couldn't git er done.
MORMONISM:
Prophets, revelations. Yeah.
As you can probably see, the doctrines of the MOONIES and the doctrines of the WATCHTOWER are incredibly different.
But they are so similar it's not even funny.
It is the SOCIOLOGICAL ASPECTS of these GROUPS THAT MAKE THEM SO.
BEHAVIOUR, THOUGHT, INFORMATION, AND EMOTIONAL CONTROL.
The AUTHORITY STRUCTURE,,,there is a group, a person or an elect WHO INTERPRET OR DISPENSE THE "TRUTH" as typically they say has been "lost" is being revealed now at Gods timing.
SALVATION IS ALWAYS TIED IN WITH BELONGING TO AND BELIEVING THE TEACHINGS AND INTERPRETATION OF THIS GROUP OR PERSON.
DOING WHAT THEY SAY
There is always a discrepancy between what they reveal privately and what they teach/believe/practice privately
You're always advised in these groups to not read material that is not faith "building" they have a can on what you should and should not read.
You are told not to associate with former members of the group. They are wicked, evil out to get the faith, disgruntled, have an axe to grind, not interested in the truth, doing the work and will of satan, spreading lies, filth, propoganda.
Don't question the leader, associate with members of your faith exclusively, don't read conflicting views, obey.
To illustrate, people were only able to speak to Steve Hassan "negatively" about his Moonie status when he completely physically incapacitated
by the way, like Qcmbr said about "anti" sites, the following IS an account from an "ex" moonie site, but I am SUUUUURE you're getting lies, false information, messed up opinions from raging foaming moonie apostates who hate truth and light. So I can direct you to the Official Unification Church site so you get the true (sanitized) beliefs and history of it all :)
www.unification.org :) :) :)
now from the dreaded apostate website
http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/u-8a.html
"Steve really is a hero figure, a superman with glasses. It was a near fatal van-accident as a moonie that ultimately led to his freedom from the cult. His parents who were caring for him with casts and broken bones, found someone to help councel him out of the cult. Steve would have none of it, and reports that if he could have walked, he would have jumped out of the second story window to prevent any possibility of disloyalty to his "True Father", Sun Myung Moon (Moon tells his followers that he is their father). After several days of lectures from his councelors about how the Unification Church employed Mind Control techniques to get him to make decisions he ordinarily would not have if left to his own free will, and other information he had not previously known about Sun Myung Moon, still Steve was unwilling to accept what he was hearing. Finally one night, in an emotional encounter with his parents, he screamed out "Look, I don't care if Sun Myung Moon is HITLER! I've chosen to follow him!!". Hearing those stark words from his own lips, startled him, and gave him something to reflect on over the next days. Slowly, as many of us have, he came to the realization that Moon was a fraud. That his church practiced deception to recruit people into it's ranks and that he himself had been deceived and nearly robbed of his entire life!"
that's all for now.