"Prove 607 B.C.E. as the date for Jerusalem's fall and you have proved the authority of the Governing Body of JW's."
smellsgood: The rest of your post was great, but I do have to disagree with this. The dates, the math, the 2520 years still means nothing. There is not invisible return of Jesus. It's just sillyness. There's nowhere in the Scripture that connects the stuff in Daniel with an organization tying it to an invisible return of Christ electing them in 1914. The whole thing is sheer lunacy.
"Prove that 607 B.C.E. is not the date for Jerusalem's fall and you have just one of many apocalyptic doomsday religions that use fear and intimidation to maintain their authority and control over their followers."
The part where the WT spouts bullocks, that's more like it.
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by Zico ina quote from this site - http://www.2001translation.com/jerusalem's%20destruction%20587%20or%20607.htm says that 'most historians agree that 539-b.c.e.
is the date of the overthrow of babylon, for there is much evidence pointing to this.
so, it is called an absolute date.
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Opposers of Watchtower Society Challenged
by Kenneson intopics she/ he(?
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Is becoming a witness the right thing for me
by marketman ini've been struggling for quite some time now about continuing my exploration of the jehovah witness faith.
i am a "cradle" catholic and have been very involved with the church.
i started to become disillusioned several months back with all of the tradition, habits, and teachings of the church--which i began to seriously doubt.
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"I honestly believe some of the basic doctrine. I have always dooubted the trinity and believed that there was only one true God."But, there are still several things I am unsure of ... blood transfusions, celebratory days, is or is not Christ God incarnate..
smellsgood: let's continue....only 144,000 going to heaven, 1914 the end/beginning of the last days, the WTS being the sole channel of communication from God to man...
I don't know if you know this, but they teach that Jesus is/was Michael the Archangel in pre-existent form, also, that he was not raised bodily from the grave. More of a "spirit" resurrection.
Does that version of Jesus make better sense?
I can only advise you that if you still want to attend church, and you ARE fed up with the Catholic church, for the love of God don't get yourself mixed up with a high control cult!! I disagree with alot of things the Catholic Church does, and their rituals can be over the top. My dad's family is very Catholic. He was raised Catholic, but is not a Catholic for many years. You don't have to belong to any organization for salvation, to have a relationship with God, etc. I would recommend you deeply investigate the WT, do read freeminds.org, Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz. There are plenty of other avenues you can take that will be far less harmful in the end than going from the rituals of the Catholic church, to the dogmatic warped beliefs of the Watchtower.
Maybe check out a simply 'Christian' Church. Some are nice. Or stop going to any Church for awhile. Nothing wrong with that.
You're wife is right to be concerned about this. Eventually I think, you will admire her opposition, if it is informed or intuitive or both, because maybe otherwise you would have been caught up sooner.
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by Nathan Natas in.
a christian group in new zealand has produced a manual encouraging child corporal punishment.. see http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3736210a11,00.html.
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eek. That is some scary sh-t. I hope no child has to suffer as a result of the counsel from this ridiculous brochure.
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by beautifulisfree inwhen my family was trying to do the fade (except for my elder dad).
my father heard this 'wonderful' poem from the platform in a talk given by the c.o.
got a copy and 'accidently' left it lying around .
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"for all the changes made, were changes made in me"
So, now, the brothers are still unloving and unkind! But HE doesn't see it that way!
And the elders continue to be unyielding, demanding and unfair. This guy just doesn't notice anymore!
"Instead of being critical"
He realizes with a tear in his eye that he really does LOVE Big Brother...
If this was in a talk given by a Circuit Overseer, isn't that like owning up to a WHOLE lotta trouble in Jehovah's Spiritual Paradise; the sort of stuff that typically seems to be silenced with sort of fake "togetherness." I mean it's not just like an Elder in just YOUR congregation giving this talk right? This poem apparently works on more than one cong.?
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Do you get speeding tickets often, or get away with alot of traffic tickets
by JH in.
i didn't get a ticket in over 15 years, although i drive alot.. i always wear my seatbelts, never go more than 10 to 15 mph over the speed limit, and make decent stops, not dead stops, but decent ones..... here in quebec, if ya do a lousy stop, but that i mean if you don't completely stop, they call tha an american stop here.
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Yeah, I have gotten out of one or two. I was going 35 in a 25mph speedtrap, got pulled over, then got pardoned on account of other things I was doing right. Ok
Recently My Mom got this massive ticket for expired drivers license (don't let that happen) and the state patrol trooper was a complete arse.
There's three licensed drivers in the car and two children. He tells me that "You know, we (himself and the city police officer) are being generous, we could impound your car.." in a snide way
I say "Yeah, if you want to go on a power trip I guess. That would be pretty sick if you were to impound a womans vehicle with her two children in it."
Particularly since there were two other non-expired drivers riding along.
JH: if ya do a lousy stop, but that I mean if you don't completely stop, they call tha an American stop here>>
That's funny, because if you do a sort of half assed stop in the states (at least in mine) we call it a "California stop"
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Would I really want to be in the "new world" anyway...
by hartstrings inthis morning in the shower i was thinking about why it is that jw's preaching (like i used to do) about a paradise with no wickedness really bothers me.
if jw's are right and god is going to destroy the majority of people so that just those who happened to live at the right time, in the right place, etc.
can live forever with a couple of men telling me, a woman what to do, no thanks.
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the ideas I've seen espoused by JW's about it make it seem really frightening.
I mean, still having to attend the Kingdom hall and all that?
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Would I really want to be in the "new world" anyway...
by hartstrings inthis morning in the shower i was thinking about why it is that jw's preaching (like i used to do) about a paradise with no wickedness really bothers me.
if jw's are right and god is going to destroy the majority of people so that just those who happened to live at the right time, in the right place, etc.
can live forever with a couple of men telling me, a woman what to do, no thanks.
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the ideas I've seen espoused by JW's about it make it seem really frightening.
I mean, still having to attend the Kingdom hall and all that?
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by Calliope income on, be vain for a moment.
maybe you haven't posted your picture because you're trying to maintain some level of anonymity, .
maybe you have posted your picture... .
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Never Forget, Religion is a Hole
by Gregor init is easy to get too curious and fall in.
you might wander around down there for years, have a family, make friends.
then you will find it is hard to get out.
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Hi NYC kid
"The very idea of good vs evil negates any opportunity for choice."
philosophically speaking, I'm wondering if you could explain your thoughts a little more on this if you don't mind?
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