I'm glad that I got a good education at college and in the navy before becoming a jw. I also did an Open University distant learning course while I was pioneering. I kept that secret for years. Some in the congregations I served in complained to me in private that they wanted to go to college, but were discouraged by their parents and the elders. I pity these young witnesses being lead by those donkeys from Brooklyn.
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COLLEGE IS EVIL!!!!!
by why??? inhi everyone...this year i had to go to the district convention and with my newly opened mind...i sat there rolling my eyes the whole time...i was however very distrubed by a talk on higher education...im sure you all know of it...basically telling all of us outright that it was no good and we shouldnt be going...now i know they have done it in the past...but it seemed so blatant this year in your face...college is evil.....here's a related link .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7vxnzoeeys&mode=related&search= .
hopefully the links work ..im not really sure how to do it .......
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My hubby just laid down some rules to my elder dad
by Es inrecently an elder called mike's mob phone wanting to speak to me, the only person who could have passed on that info was my elder dad.
mike has been waiting for my dad to call him to arrange to see the kids, as he wont deal with me at all.
so mike said to him i dont appreciate you giving our number out to the elders, we want nothing to do with them or your religion etc... mike than called me and said there was so much more i wanted to tell him.. i get a phone call about 30 mins later, mike had rang my dad and said if you want to see your grandkids then there are a few rules you will need to follow, 1. dont ever give out our personal details (which my dad apologised for and acknowldeged that he shouldnt have done that ) and 2. if you want to see your grandkids you need to speak to your daughter, you can msg her phone or even speak to her.
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Ironhead
I would like to shake your husband's hand. Good man.
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Kingdom Melodies - What were we singing
by Amber Rose indoes anyone remember the one song that has the line, "let god be true though every man a liar proves to be."?
i always felt uncomfortable singing this.
every man is a liar?
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Ironhead
Kingdom brainwashing melodies. I hate them all. When traveling in a car with super zealous brother, they always play one of the tapes. It drove me potty, I wanted to dive out the car while doing 70 mph down the motorway. I remember being counseled by an elder about why I'm struggling financially. I sarcastically remark quoting that stupid line from God Loves A Cheerful Giver, "All our time and resources to Jehovah they belong. If to him we do give them, we never will go wrong", I asked him, "why it my life is going wrong. Is it because Jehovah didn't want me to give up my well paying job and now I'm pioneering that I'm being punished." He was speechless when I walked off.
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How Did YOU Find JWD?
by minimus ini used to read the old h2o site and i believe they brought up that this place was up......either that or i typed in jws on search.
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Ironhead
When I had heart surgery nearly 2 years ago, I another patient in hospital that I hated being a jw. He told me about this site. He had a friend who was an ex-jw.
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Wife has disassociated, even being shunned by non-jw dad.
by Ironhead inmy wife has only been to one meeting in 13 months, and during this past year, she has been quite the little apostate.
she has been warning her work colleague, our neighbours, and anybody who would listen about the witnesses.
mrs iron has been quite a little star in that area.
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Ironhead
Great piece of advise nj. Thanks.
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Wife has disassociated, even being shunned by non-jw dad.
by Ironhead inmy wife has only been to one meeting in 13 months, and during this past year, she has been quite the little apostate.
she has been warning her work colleague, our neighbours, and anybody who would listen about the witnesses.
mrs iron has been quite a little star in that area.
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Ironhead
Thanks for your replies. I've spoken to her on the phone, and she's quite upset today. I was willing to go to my father-in-law, and smack his head, but I have to respect her wishes. My father-in-law isn't baptized, nor is he an unbaptized publisher. He doesn't wear a suit, not even a shirt and tie when he goes to meetings about once a month, and he hates being told what to do. My wife wants him and the rest of the family to learn the hard way, because when he's baptized, they can control every member of my wife's family. He won't take it, when the elders hound him. I'm angry, because he's a non-witness and has treated his daughter once too often like she doesn't exist. He's never been a real father to her. That's why the wife when she was younger, used to have fantasies of hitting him over the head with a hammer.
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What Does Being Spiritual Mean To You?
by sweet pea inright now, to me being spiritual is all about being led by your inner spirit and includes .
1. being in tune with the goodness within and treating people how you would like to be treated.
2. being in tune with nature and appreciating the beauty and complexity of the universe.
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Ironhead
I believe in all 3 of those statements. Being spiritual isn't about outward appearances, getting in 1o hours a month or having to be seen doing the ministry. The pioneer sisters in the field service arrangement I use to take, may have put in 70 hours a month, but they were nasty little bitches. Yet the elders used to praise them for their seemingly outward spirituality, while inside they were rotten to the core.
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Wife has disassociated, even being shunned by non-jw dad.
by Ironhead inmy wife has only been to one meeting in 13 months, and during this past year, she has been quite the little apostate.
she has been warning her work colleague, our neighbours, and anybody who would listen about the witnesses.
mrs iron has been quite a little star in that area.
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Ironhead
My wife has only been to one meeting in 13 months, and during this past year, she has been quite the little apostate. She has been warning her work colleague, our neighbours, and anybody who would listen about the witnesses. Mrs Iron has been quite a little star in that area. However around six weeks ago, her mother, who has been on her back for not attending meetings, phoned to ask if she needed transport to go to the convention. When she refused saying that she's never going to the meetings again and wants to leave the borg, her mother being a sad jw wasn't pleased. This is part of their conversation:
Mum: "You don't appreciate the things this family has done for you."
Wife: "Just because I don't want to be a witness any longer, you say say something like this. I had no choice in becoming a witness. This religion is false, evil, willing to break up families, and let people die for a stupid blood policy. I get it. You know what your problem is? You can no longer speak to speak when I leave, and it's getting to you. It's not very loving is it?"
Mum: "Yes it is".
Wife: "No it's not. Well it's very christian is it? How can you being a parent shun your own daughter"?
Mum: "You're an evil girl. You don't love God, neither does Ironhead".
Wife: "Don't you ever accuse my husband of not loving God. How do you know what he thinks?"
Her mum gets of the phone crying, and then her dad gets on the phone.
Dad: "Why have you upset your mother?"
Wife: "I've not upset her, she's upset herself. She's crying because I want to leave the witnesses, and the society forbid her and the rest of the family to speak to me".
Dad: "Why you leaving? It's the truth!"
Wife: "It's not the truth. It's a lie. The witnesses deceive people. The elders interfere in people's life, telling them they should live, what to wear, what sort of job they should do".
Dad: "It is the truth. We're living in the last days".
Wife "But it doesn't mean the witnesses have the truth.
Dad: "Anyway. The elders don't interfere in peoples lives".
Wife: "Yes they do. We would be paying of debts, working six days a week, if the watchtower, and it's cronies the elders encourage people to pioneer, also attend too many meetings wearing a suit which cost quite a bit".
Dad: "Well it's your fault. You don't have to do those things. I don't believe for a minute that the elders would do that".
Wife: "Dad you're not even a witness. When you get baptised, then you'll see the witnesses for what they are. They're good at manipulating. Making the brothers and sisters guilty, so they can do more for the society. They even use our own families as hostages to get what they want, knowing that shunning works."
The conversation ended, because her dad was just being a jerk. Things had moved forward since then. After the convention the elders have attempted to call on her twice, but she would answer the door, fearing that I would give the elders a beating, and she didn't want my name being dragged around the circuit saying that I've returned to my old ways. Last week she'd sent her letter of disassociation to the BOE, and should be announced this coming week. Yesterday her mum phoned. My wife told her about disassociating herself. She knew my wife would. Then her dad comes on the phone being an idiot, repeating the same conversation from six weeks ago. This time what he said surprised my wife.
Dad: "I've changed since I started studying." (He's been studying on and off for 10years, struggles cos he can't read, but we don't think he has)
Wife: "People change when they become involved in any religion, and most of them were sad before they joined".
Dad: "We're not supposed to talk to you because you're a corrupting influence".
Wife: "Looks like there's been a family meeting discussing me. I'm not staying in a religion that I hate, so you can associate together. I'm not here to please you or any body. Look! I'm always there for the family and I want to talk to them, but you're just following a corrupt organisation".
Dad; "You think I'm going choose my wife over YOU! Bollocks to you! ( gets of the phone)
Mum: (now on the phone) "I've not seen you for six months anyway, so we're getting use to not seeing you ever again. Bye".
The wife expected that this was going to happen, but was stunned by her father's comments. The man can't even read, yet has been influenced by jw family to say these things and have no contact with her. She's upset, but believes that it's for the best, because she's never really had a close relationship with her family from being young. What really angers the two of us is this. Her mum, dad, sister, uncle and aunt don't work, because of minor ailments and bone idleness.They abuse the welfare state, by doing paid work when they suppose to be ill, yet think they're better people than my wife, because she isn't a jw. She's a thousand times better than they are. My wife's life has improved since we've been married, she's at college part-time, confident in her abilities, something she never had in her years as a witness.
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The Whitfield Wedding
by KW13 inthese arent the best pics we have but not all of them are with me.. signing teh book (well just after, sorry i look miserable lol - i hate smiling on pics).. .
me and my cousins, freya was a bridesmade and joe was there cos we love him anyway!.
me and megan - i had consumed a few beers but was not drunk in this picture!.
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Ironhead
Congratulations Karl. Thanks for sharing the pictures. The wife had a tear in her eye when she saw them, since we've haven't seen you since you were about 10.
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My wife has finally seen the light.
by Ironhead infor 18 months i have been at loggerheads with my wife over the wts.
she has been the perfect watchtower slave even declaring that she'll never leave the truth.
i decided not to interfere in her life, attacking the society, and the idiots in the hall, but recently things have changed for the best.
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Ironhead
For 18 months I have been at loggerheads with my wife over the wts. She has been the perfect watchtower slave even declaring that she'll never leave the truth. I decided not to interfere in her life, attacking the society, and the idiots in the hall, but recently things have changed for the best. Although she calls herself a strong witness, my wife hasn't been to meetings since November, she has made allsorts of excuses as to why she can't go to meetings, but she does send in her field service report. The news of the lack of my wife's meeting attendance reached her mother's ears, and every week she keeps phoning her to ask if she's been to the meeting. The wife just tells her straight, that she hasn't gone. During these last few months, she hasn't received her magazines, km, yearbook, bound volumes, day's text, calendar, or even a memorial invitation. I asked her about this, she just says, "Who cares? I'm not bothered."
The wife works with a woman, who used to have a study with a sister who lives a few blocks away from my our house. Well this sister keeps asking her colleague about my wife's whereabouts, including questions about me. Her colleague tells her to mind her own business. This particular sister is in the other congregation that shares the kingdom hall, so news of my wife not attending is well known. My wife bumps into the sister on her way to work, while out shopping, and keeps saying to her, " you haven't been to the hall for a long time." The wife ignores her.
This week, her mother phoned her asking if she needed a lift to the DC. The wife said no, but the next day changed her mind, because her 23 year old sister is getting baptised ( she's only getting baptised because she's going out with a brother ). On Monday I asked the wife, " you're not not going to the convention, are you?" to which she replied, "you must be joking, and I'm also not going to the memorial." I couldn't believe what I was hearing. She explained to me that she'd had enough of the witnesses, the society, and she doesn't want to lose me over a stupid false religion, plus she's grateful that I've helped her to achieve her life goals, something her family has never encouraged her to do. I have also found out this week that my wife has been discouraging the neighbours who have studies with the witnesses, exposing their lies, and telling them what they have to give up if they ever joined.
Finally, I just want to say a big thank you to all of you guys on JWD. She has read with enthusiasm the topics discussed on this board. This has been a help to her also.