those of you still attending meetings are/will be in a position to provide more specifics as to exact wording and tone.
my information comes second-hand from one who attended the tms/sm last night.
i was not there and did not personally hear the letter read (and did not wish to press too insistently for details).
Perhaps they're really uncomfortable about the marchers carrying poster/pictures of the GB and so they want to create an excuse or example in that, 'Those apostates, they're racist', etc., etc., etc.
Or just to create yet another excuse WHY JW's should absolutely HIDE themselves from seeing or knowing or hearing anything.
Thanks for giving me a wonderful moment of falling on the floor, devious of laughter.
i was listening to the news this morning and they were reporting on a double shooting that had just happened at a pharmacy.
details about the shooting weren't available as it had just happened but the reporter detailed what he was witnessing as the emts removed two badly wounded victims from the pharmacy.. about ten minutes later he came back on the radio and gave an update, including comments from a pharmacy employee who was due in at nine am (the shooting must have taken place around 8:30 or so).. .
reporter: did you find what happened here surprising?.
I understand your comments.
My first impressions were:
1) Perhaps she was involved in it somehow or knew who was.
2) WHERE is this place? Some locations in this great USA are exceedingly dangerous and some people keep their emotions at bay in order to survive.
3) She's working in a pharmacy. The 'wonder drugs' available today are designed to keep people functioning in the face of 'Post Traumatic Stress Disorder', 9-11 and more. I suspect they do so by cutting people off from their feelings. Perhaps she's taking one of them.
4) If she walked into a situation where the victims were alive and being cared for, the police and EMT's clearly had the situation under control and everyone she worked with was right there, and a bunch of reporters were also right there, maybe she didn't feel scared. Maybe she felt curious or perhaps like she needed to be strong.
5) Some people don't feel their feelings till later when they're alone.
6) Some people think it's shameful to express weakness or fear or vulnerability.
7) Maybe she's a JW and has no meaningful emotional connection whatsoever to anything.
i was just thinking after reading some of the posts, and wanted to ask you something..... do any of you feel, and i mean right in the back of your minds, that jws might still have the true faith (truth).
i've been inactive for a few years now and don't attend meetings at the kh, apart from the memorial, and occasional convention.
please don't shout me down, its just that to me, even though i've been out for a while and my reasons for "drifting" away were very painful to me, i don't feel as the majority do here.
Hi there,
I think you are looking at JWs and seeing that 'a few bad apples are everywhere'.
Try looking at them and thinking, 'A few good apples are everywhere.'
DISCERNING things and honoring your own intuitions and drawing your own conclusions have never been respected by WTS/JWs.
The bad thing about the good apples among JWs is that you can't keep or deepen your friendships with them and you can't share your thoughts and feelings with them, you can't learn from them and you can't teach them anything because with them it's an 'all or nothing' thing.
Try looking at this (it gets even more interesting after you pass the first page or so of JW history).:
It is one of several articles written by Dr. Jerry Bergman who was raised as a witness and is now a professor of psychology and a mental health professional who works with (among others) a lot of elders and ex-elders.
He has written many, many papers and several books, including "Why Jehovah's Witnesses Have Mental Problems".
Tho Dr. Bergman is actually generous and kind-hearted toward R&F JWs and has many advanced degrees, the WTS actively tries to discredit him as a 'kook', a 'liar' and a fake (and, of course, an evil apostate)..
Read his stuff. It's good.
You'll understand why he's a big target of the WT's 'spiritual warfare', i.e. lying.
You can find more of his stuff by searching his name at google.com
Best wishes. We're happy to have you.
"sex abuse stumped elder.
jehovah's witness was unsure how to handle case.".
http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-09-17-0060.html
Well....it wasn't for lack of experience, was it?
hahahahahahahahah i was snooping and found this written in my husbands.
book,,"pay attention to yourself and to all the flock".
6 expressions not to be used on s77-s79 forms.
Make sure Vicki's defense team hears about this.
I think those photos they so fear would make GREAT posters for the March. (It's always better with pictures.) And probably those 'suggestions' as well.
*** w68 8/15 500-1 why are you looking forward to 1975?
35 one thing is absolutely certain, bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of mans existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation!
(matt.
It is a great source of pride for me that I left in '74.
It seemed stupid to hang around for '75 if the only reason you were hanging around was for '75.
Like God could be so tricked by a lot of opportunistic, self-serving, insincere brown-nosing?
I'd have to say that was maybe the first time I CLEARLY saw a separation between 'God' and 'Jehovah' (that is, 'God', as JWs saw Him - I only recently learned that the name is actually bogus, too).
If God was going to toss into the 'discard' pile people like Mother Teresa and a slew of others whose lives and spirituality I respected and admired, while he was going to love and shelter and harbor those many opportunistic, judgemental and idiotic goofs at the KH...well then, I guess I'd take my chances in the discard pile with Mother Teresa.
Somehow, I just 'knew' that God was not that stupid - and I was not that chicken.
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Edited by - Dia on 14 September 2002 7:37:26
i'm just full of questions and here's another that no one in the hall has ever answered with conviction.. they say that the church steeple is shaped like a phalic symbol (please excuse spelling mistake, mislaid my dictionary!)..
so why then was the temple shaped in a remarkably similar fashion (the picture in the back of the big bible always worried me).
maybe, just maybe, the church is shaped after the original temple and not .... what they say it is.
I don't think I've ever heard this before but now that you mention it...
And KH's are flat and limp. It's beginning to make sense. Yeah, I can see that.
Y'know there's nothing wrong with celebrating fertility and being grateful for it. Historically, it's how nations became strong and harvests become plentiful and biblically, it is a gift from God.
Once again, it's making sense that KHs are flat and limp.
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here is a link .
www.bigwig.net/knots/nightmares/occult.htm try it.
Occult, or not, there has always been something eerie about JW illustrations.
Maybe it's the lack of 'sparkle' in anyone's eyes.
But learning what we have about the 'inside', nothing would surprise me.
to notso perfect......what do i have against her?i have known her since childbirth,and once upon a time she was a normal sweet person who loved her parents,then she changed.it started when she met scott i would say.thats when her troubles began after she got married.she started exploiting herself sexually and started makin up the wildest stories about her husband and herself and thats when i realized that she wasnt the same person and i realized what kind of morals she had and she started sayingthings about scott that was when i realized she isnt right.as the yrs went by she just got worse.and now i dont even know her,she has stretched her testomony and much of it is downright lies.i have actual letters from vicky from yrs back that contradict what she is claiming now.. why do i have against her???
?she has torn her family apart even cousins and aunts and uncles who can see right thru her.see you guy dont know both sides and you never will because vicky knows shes does enough damage and will come to her senses and her brainwashing by frank mottrill is coming out.you see he is usinh vicky as a pawn to get back at the wts for his own wrongdoing.anyway it will soon be over........i personally will never look or talk to her again,she has been disowned my her realtives,most are not even witnesses so what does that tell you.. for the record many of you may not know this but the lawyer for the wts.
is not even a witness!
Your shallowness and lack of comprehension of things of an emotional nature is very typical of JWs.
Oblivion, really.
But that never stands in the way of harsh, vocal and opinionated judgements or an inclination to villify or destroy someone else's character or reputation, does it?
And usually with self-righteous glee, too.
I'm glad you posted here, tho. Truly.
I hope it opens your mind some.
Edited by - Dia on 14 September 2002 6:49:21
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as the ranks of jw's continue to deplete, what are your thoughts on meetings and assemblies being disrupted or heckled by angry ones as more eyes become open to this cult and the damage it has done.. anyone?.
dismembered
When Greenpeace wanted to get a point across to people who refused to hear it, they literally chained an unopenable briefcase to an irremoveable seat (like a theater seat).
Inside a recorded message BLARED their message over the speakers voice.
Of course, later they did eventually remove it, but it took them a very long time to do so and in the meantime, the attendees were FORCED to hear a reading of a very long list of misdeeds that they were protesting.
Hard to ignore that one. Especially when a reporter was present, too.
Just a thought.
