Posts by Dia

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Abuse Problem Greater with the JW's?

by Kismet in

i am interested in hearing comments from you regarding whether you feel the child abuse problem is greater within the jw 'religion' moreso than other religions or identifiable groups.. i know some have made the comment that it is and others say there is no difference.

on what do you basis your belief either way.

is it strictly that the environment is conducive to pedophiles co-existing with the cong or based on empirical data?.

Dia

This is an astonishingly good thread.

One thing I would like to add to my list, in response to Gam's comments.

It was said that perhaps the numbers are so high because consentual activity between underage parties was included.

I have to mention that only in the WTS would it even come to mind to consider the possibility that they somehow confused the two. They innocently or manipulatively have subtely and repeatedly given the impression that they 'just don't really know' what is or isn't child molestation.

Reminds me of the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. 'Oh, I didn't know....' or as the 'social worker' on the JW press release said back in the beginning of all this, ''Twenty years ago, we just didn't know that this was a bad thing.' (I'm paraphrasing) I don't think laws against incest first got on the books 20 years ago!

Are we really to believe this, given their very busy and very conniving Legal Department?

Or is it just another predictable response from a guilty party clinging to straws to save their a**?

One further point: There is a lot of sexual stuff in the old testament that would (happily) be considered criminal today.

There's good reason to suspect that JWs look at these ancient biblical stories from a 'Bible is better' and 'Bible is relevant' perspective. Can you think of any reason why they might not?

Except, of course, for that 'Ceaser's things to Ceaser' part. Which FORCES them to comply with the law.

In some jurisdictions, anyway.

When there is a law.

And when there is not a law, what do you suppose is the relevant guiding principle for JWs?

Edited by - Dia on 27 November 2002 6:55:54

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Government wants to legislate against kids bras

by ozziepost in

i hadn't been aware of national governments being interested in such things, but here's a news item today from 'downunder' showing what the australian federal government is concerned about.

i wonder if this will appear in "watching the world" in the next issue of awake!.

16:31 aest tue 26 nov 2002. parents urged to boycott kid bras.

Dia

I agree with Simon.

There is way too much pressure of a sexual nature on girls of inappropriate ages.

I applaude the government for speaking up. The more people who speak up, the more 'back-up' parents have when trying to impose reasonable bounds on their kids.

Schools too, can provide back-up by just banning certain types of clothing. The good ones do.

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question for parents

by musky in

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i have small children.

i was raised a witness, so i never celebrated holidays.

now, i don't go to meetings, don't agree that the watchtower is jehovahs sole channel of communication.

Dia

We are passing through the darkest time of the year (in the northern hemisphere).

What a wonderful time to fill our homes with lights and tokens of festivity and faith.

This darkness too, shall pass. We know and we believe that sunlight and spring, and summer will come again. Despite all the evidence that surrounds us.

What a wonderful thing that, as we celebrate the birth of Christ, it coincides with the lengthening of days.

Used to be a traditional (gasp - "pagan") time of celebrating the Sun? Perhaps.

Is it not so very right that we should now celebrate the light of OUR lives on that occasion? Not just sunlight, but the birth of our spiritual lives. The birth of Christ.

It's not all hokey commercialism. (tho that's definitely out there)

There is something more to this.

Perhaps you can find some music which really touches you.

Give yourself some time. But try to see the real meaning of Christmas.

Yes, it's WONDERFUL fun.

But so much more, too.

Whatever you decide to do, save little momentos from the occasion. As a parent, you and your children will want to look back on these one day.

Merry Christmas!

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Abuse Problem Greater with the JW's?

by Kismet in

i am interested in hearing comments from you regarding whether you feel the child abuse problem is greater within the jw 'religion' moreso than other religions or identifiable groups.. i know some have made the comment that it is and others say there is no difference.

on what do you basis your belief either way.

is it strictly that the environment is conducive to pedophiles co-existing with the cong or based on empirical data?.

Dia

Yes, greater.

Because they are a 'secret society'. Because they hold to a strict, unforgiving and ridiculous 'standard' of behavior. Because they openly encourage or allow the battering of small children.

Because they are not outraged at what has happened or been in the media this year. Because these problems are at the top and all things come from the top, down.

Because they readily put themselves 'outside the law' (they would say 'above' the law) in many things. They have no sense of accountability or responsibility to their fellow man.

Because they are very willing to have their sex lives intruded upon in unhealthy ways. Because they are willing to have their 'natural instincts' of love and nurturing be usurped and overriden by the rules of people they don't even know.

Because they are very concerned with their image. Because, as a religion, it is very out of touch with God.

Because they parade their innocence and superiority.

I could go on...(maybe I will)....

Edited by - Dia on 25 November 2002 8:21:9

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WHAT'S THE BEST POST EVER ??

by BATHORY in

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g'day cobbers.. i realise that there is no 1 bestest post, it is relative and subjective, but i ask for your personal all time favourite.. one that made you exited about being involved with this forum, look forward to getting back online and furthering it etc.. i remember the ol' days of h2o where all the heavyweights were, that ros came out with the gb post, remember that.

wow was that exciting.

personally my all time fav post,undisputedly, was hillary's "ferryman".. that was as close to perfection as i have read or could imagine.

Dia

Probably the one I just read on WT roots (Blackguard) which lays out how the WT was formed as part of an effort to destroy Christianity.

It makes a tremendous amount of sense.

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Watch Tower Roots:

by blackguard in

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fascist and the church of.

corporate mammon .

"by their fruits shall ye recognize them": this paleo-semitic thinking, is as every bit an axiomatic statement about evidence collection as the hellenic system so pervasive in western society today.

Dia

Blackguard, who are you?

And how are you privy to the knowledge that you have about the WTS?

Edited by - Dia on 24 November 2002 22:14:22

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Looking for a Superb Board Game? - Here it is!

by GermanXJW in

i have made this recommendation already last year but i will repeat because there are several new members and because the game is currently on stock at amazon.com.. in 1995, german game inventor klaus teuber created the board game "settlers of catan" that caused turmoil in germany: it won several prizes incl.

"game of the year".

and millions (!

Dia

Is it one and same game as 'Trouble'?

What ages is it for?

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Are JW lawyers crooked?

by Jerry Bergman in

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i have heard much about crooked watchtower lawyers on this site and wondered if anyone had anything to back this up?

i have my own experience (extremely bad) and was wondering about others.

Dia

Would love to hear your story, Jerry.

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Why dont JW's have a youth group?

by In_between_days in

something that has been alarming to my jw family is the amount of teens ("young ones") that have bailed out of the organisation, never to return.. they use the excuse, as would most jw's that "satan is getting them - he knows young ones are vulnerable.".

if you want my opinion, young people are getting far more educated - they are becoming far more broad minded than they were say 10 or 20 years ago.

because of the slow yet sturdy slackening of the "no college" rule, many more young jw's are attending university or college than ever before, and with further education comes more knowledge, more interaction with reasonable and intelligent conversations with educated people and most importantly -use of the internet ("satans latest tool, as put by a jw i talked to recently).

Dia

I think the amount of assistance, guidance, social interaction and nurturing is JUST PERFECT as is - IF their main goal is population control.

How better to produce a mass of f'd up, lonely, family-less teens whom, if they do marry, probably won't stay that way for long. Or at least not long enough to have many (if any) kids of their own.

Nomad, you're not alone.

But life is not over.

Everybody has SOMETHING they have to deal with or 'get over'. And many, many people have something really, really enormous to cope with and to grow past.

Knowing where you are is a very good place to start.

Edited by - Dia on 24 November 2002 17:31:7

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Bill Bowen again on Danish TV

by Nordic in

the 24 november bill bowen on tv all over denmark.. www.tv2.dk.

it will air 8 clock europa time.

and the spoke's mann from jehovas witness in denmark is coming to speak live on tv.

Dia

English or Danish?

Translated version? (Not being impatient, just asking)