1. it's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.. 2. if you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) say the scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) they change the subject; 3) they start playing word games with you.. 3. many of them view traditions and other writings by famous jws as having more authority than the word of god.. 4. their doctrine completely conflicts with bible doctrine.. 5. the watchtower is their head (athough the bible says christ is the head of the church)
Worst things after all those?
1) They're still here.
2) There are currently no laws against them continuing to do what they do. To innocent and vulnerable people. To their families. To their own children.
3) They succeed far too well in maintaining their 'secrecy'.
i wrote on wednesday about how a couple of elders came calling that afternoon in this thread: .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42220&site=3&page=1.
well, my husband and i had a bit of a disagreeable discussion earlier today about the visit.
You're not really 'wondering why' they would do this, are you?
most of the jws i met were sincere people.
not perfect, i have my horror stories too, but most were decent people.
i am not discounting the horrible things i hear on this forum.
Never mind.
Suffice to say that you, Skeptic, are a very grateful person and that is a very beautiful thing.
Edited by - Dia on 13 December 2002 18:21:23
if you were not born into the organization.
my prediction is that the majority were catholic or catholic lites (ie.
episcopal, lutheran, methodist).
JeffT - very interesting. What exactly do you do in those classes?
if you were not born into the organization.
my prediction is that the majority were catholic or catholic lites (ie.
episcopal, lutheran, methodist).
JeffT - very interesting. What exactly do you do in those classes?
.
please take note.. when i first started studying with jehovahs witnesses ,over a period they lead you to beleive that your family are serving satan ,therfore hidden pressure is put upon you to ditch your family ,if your weak you will do as you are told but as allways they make you think your doing it for god,its so they can start to control you slowly ,your familys gone your old friends are gone you have nothing else be warned then comes the reliance upon every single word the elders say to you hypnotismn comes allso through the literature ,.
i kept my family at a distance i never allowed man to dictate ,pluss i had no opposition from my family in times of need i was there to support my greater family and now i still have them if needed why make yourself miserable.. thank god i never bowed to the presure of relinquishing my family ties
I always felt they had a LOT in common with criminals of domestic violence.
You prove my point.
..... and i missed it!!!
arggggggggggghhhhh.
anyway, hubby was out front fixing the christmas lights when two jws approached him in the driveway.
I was thinking about how much we might all like it if individual 'JW Disfellowshippings' were 'announced' in the newspaper!
Realizing this ain't never gonna' happen (unless we just start to purchase little 'ads' on our own)...I'm thinking, would we like to see this in maybe a book form - or how 'bout an annual or bi-monthly magazine?
Just little announcements, listing the names of the people announced to be d'fd or d'a (if they want to be included), the WTS official 'reason' and, in their own words, the 'real story'.
Wouldn't that be a prickly pear in the society's cap?!
..... and i missed it!!!
arggggggggggghhhhh.
anyway, hubby was out front fixing the christmas lights when two jws approached him in the driveway.
For the record:
Congratulations on the 2000+ posts! ;-)
you know how the society pushes every one to do more, and more, and more....and those who don't do more without a super valid reason (like you're in a coma), are considered not "spiritual", right?
ok, they also tell single brothers and sisters who are pioneers or bethelites that they should only consider marrying those with the same spiritual goals....in other words....choose some one who "loves" jehovah just as much, meaning one who preaches 120 hours a month or works in bethel,etc.....right?
....well i think it is so unfair.. it's already bad enough that we cannot look at another human being from the opposite sex because they are not witnesses (never mind that they are excellent human beings, ones that would ashame many jws)....we also have to keep from falling in love with a pioneer or bethelite (if you are not one, because he or she will not give you the time of day) or from falling in love with a mere publisher ( if you are a pioneer , because the elders will suggest to let it go, and they will try and try until you give it up)( i've witnessed a huge case...that ended in a bethelite and a pioneer dying, litterally) isn't that appaling?
Again, starts to look like their real 'value' is in population control.
i have been df'd for a good long time and have gone/going through the different stages of the healing process but i dont think that i am anywhere to giving up all of my deep-seated anger and hostility that i continue to have.
i have gotten attatched to it, ironically enough.
my moral and maybe somewhat ethical delimmna is: i am in a service provider position and i provide translation services for members of a specific community of interest...problem is that a certain person has come into my focus of the world...an elder.......a great many bones in my body want to manipulate and maneuver his life into the palm of my hand....then crush him.
Wow, jgnat, good words and good ideas.
Okay, here's mine (for whatever they're worth):
I was thinking that you might just chuckle a little one day and let him know that you're pretty grateful for the day when you finally realized that the WTS was definitely NOT for you.
'But', you might say, 'some people apparently like that sort of thing.'
THEN, depending on how that goes, you might let him know that you're available if he ever wants to talk to somebody. OR you might just tell him that you'll be praying for him.
Or both.
(Warning: Tact has never been my forte.)
