Doesn't the United Nations and 'false religion' have to fall first?
Paul
the signs are becoming more and more clear.
violent crimes are increasing and lawlessness is the thing of the day.
people are starting to lose their minds due to the increasing job loss and economic hardship.
Doesn't the United Nations and 'false religion' have to fall first?
Paul
i don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.
I think it should be legalised in the sense that it should be controlled. Smoked in a controlled environment such as cafe's is fine, or in the home, but not in the street or in public areas. Much the same way as it is in Amsterdam, the police there will not tolerate pot being smoked in the street even with such a laid back culture.
Paul
has anyone felt uncomfortable telling others that they were once jws?
i have shared this info with very few people in the 19 years since i left.
i don't want to have to explain to someone who wouldn't understand anyway.
It's not really an issue anymore for me to be honest.
It used to be though, i used to be very reluctant to tell people, almost as if they were going to judge me bad because of it. Now though i do not make a point of telling people, but i do if the conversation ever comes up about religion or spirituality.
I often discuss this with one of my best friends, who used to be a jw too. Whenever we go out there is a group of us. Nobody amongst this group know of our jw past, apart from one and he was shocked. They just think we are old mates, which we are at the end of the day. Funny thing is though it's not that we hide it or ashamed of it, it's just that it doesn't come up in conversation, it's just not an issue anymore.
People that i do tell tend to be curious about it.
Paul
i've been reading several of the comments and many of you appear to be out-of-step with the faithful and discreet slave..
This is a site for many people, with many views, most either are JW's or have links to JW's or like myself grew up as a JW or have JW pasts. It's well moderated so there are no insults flying around either.
Welcome to the forum.
mine goes back to may of 1955.. i was 17 months old.. my mother went into labor with the last of her 13 children, and i remember pitching a fit because the midwife wouldn't let me into her room.. how about you?.
sylvia.
10 months old.
Some people, especially in my family do not believe me. But i remember a photograph being taken with me holding an orange, i remember the orange being given to me by one of my aunties and being told to stand there. I remember wobbling.
My nan says the photo was taken by another aunty so i couldn't have remembered it, but the orange was definately not given to me by this particualr aunt.
I also have other memories of that sort of age, being on a bus ride to one of mother's friends. They had a black mgb, which i remember well, they worked out that i must have been just about 1 when they had it.
My memory is good from the age of 2. We lived in a flat until i was 2 and half and i remember it well. I also remember being picked up by my uncle to see my brother through a window when he was born, there is 2 and a half years between us.
Apparently i was an intelligent child but then mother became a jw.
Paul
me and the wife both.
for our you know, pre-marital bumping of the fuzzies.
all of those years of guilt she had- she's shocked that all she got was a slap on the wrist.
I remember for being privately reproved. I confessed to a little pre-marital bump and grind with the ex, so i thought i'd get it all out in one go.
The result was we were counselled for the fiddling but put on private reproof for buying a lottery ticket...wtf?
Paul
this has come to my mind the last couple of days, i wondered if anyone knows anything about this?.
if a place is licenced to hold a wedding, isn't everyone entitled to use that place?.
i seem to remember that when charles and camilla got married windsor castle wouldn't licence themselves for it, because it would mean they couldn't refuse people to use it for their own wedding.
btt
two young guys knocked my door this morning, kind of reminded me of my younger pioneer days.. anyway i told them i have a book of mormon and they wanted me to pray to god to ask him whether it was his word.
i asked them how god had answered them that it was, they said the holy spirit, but didn't elaborate.. i said to them i didn't think an organised religion is an exclusive way to god.
that certainly the first century christians weren't organised in such a way.
I did think to myself they may call back, so i thought i'd do what they had asked just in case, so that i have a response for them.
I said a little prayer to ask God if the Book Of Mormon was his word, i opened the first page and there was a picture of a blonde Jesus, so i didn't read anymore and guessed he kind of answered me.
Paul
this has come to my mind the last couple of days, i wondered if anyone knows anything about this?.
if a place is licenced to hold a wedding, isn't everyone entitled to use that place?.
i seem to remember that when charles and camilla got married windsor castle wouldn't licence themselves for it, because it would mean they couldn't refuse people to use it for their own wedding.
This has come to my mind the last couple of days, i wondered if anyone knows anything about this?
If a place is licenced to hold a wedding, isn't everyone entitled to use that place?
I seem to remember that when Charles and Camilla got married Windsor castle wouldn't licence themselves for it, because it would mean they couldn't refuse people to use it for their own wedding. So they married officially in Guild Hall, Windsor then just had a service in Windsor Castle.
So, if Kingdom Halls are used for weddings, under UK law can just anyone request they use it and the elders can't legally refuse due to licence conditions? Worth looking into.
Paul
two young guys knocked my door this morning, kind of reminded me of my younger pioneer days.. anyway i told them i have a book of mormon and they wanted me to pray to god to ask him whether it was his word.
i asked them how god had answered them that it was, they said the holy spirit, but didn't elaborate.. i said to them i didn't think an organised religion is an exclusive way to god.
that certainly the first century christians weren't organised in such a way.
Two young guys knocked my door this morning, kind of reminded me of my younger pioneer days.
Anyway i told them i have a book of mormon and they wanted me to pray to God to ask him whether it was his word. I asked them how God had answered them that it was, they said the holy spirit, but didn't elaborate.
I said to them i didn't think an organised religion is an exclusive way to God. That certainly the first century Christians weren't organised in such a way. They say that they was, that the early Christians met the first day of each week to break bread. This is news to me, they reckon it said so in Ephesians, but didn't show me the scripture.
I said to them that Jesus said, 'no one comes to the father except through me', now doesn't that mean that you don't need an organised religion to get to God, but only Jesus? They gave the usual response that i would have done all those years back. Then i said that Jesus said 'that where there are two or three of you gathered in my name, there i am also', now surely that tells me that i do not have to belong to a religion to have a relationship with God. They never really answered that.
I ended the conversation with, where i differ to you is that you feel you have a monopoly on God. They said, what? We do not believe that. I said but you believe you're way is the correct way and everyone else is wrong? They were silent, paused and said with a smile, well yes we do. So in that sense i say, do you not see how you feel you have a monopoly on God?
The conversation ended with niceties. I did actually enjoy the conversation, i think they must have thought i was just some nut or maybe a 'goat'. But i kind of got to thinking that this is not about trying to prove them wrong, but more about reasserting where i am at now. The fact that i can defend my stance and reaffirm that i do not need a religion to tell me how to think or to have a relationship with God.
They went their merry way still believing Joseph Smith is their prophet, but hey, they've made my day.
Paul