recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
Interesting stuff lance. I have not thought of this that Babylon conquered Assyria in 609 BCE. I should read Johnsons book.
I also haven't come across the other translations of "for" babylon instead of "at" babylon.
I have just come across this site, showing the Babylonian empire from 609-539bce
http://www.science.co.il/Maps-Near-East-Empires.asp
Paul
recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
The flaw is that you, as well as the WT, want to make a prophesy fit into history. Could it be possible that the prophesy was missapplied of never came true at all?
I do not want to make any prophecies. What i want to do is look at all the evidence before i make a decision. I do not want to accept that 587/6 is the date just because the majority of scholars say so. I would rather examine it for myself. Upon examing it the probability is that 587/6 is the date, but it is not 100% as some portray.
And yes the prophecy is/was missapplied.
Paul
recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
The thing that has me about 607 v 587/6 is that the latter doesn't take into account the 70 year desolation. For me scholars should at the very least take the bible as an historical document. I am not saying 607 is the date, but 587/6 has a flaw.
Paul
i'm feeling so down lately my psycology has reached to the bottom.
sometimes i wish i never been born.
looking back my life all there is left is pain.
I don't have a second chance, and NO one will give me back, my best years of my life.
The best years of your life can start today. You just need to realise it.
Paul
i got an email from her daughter lisa this morning regarding "queenie", who used to post on this forum as well as others, such as my yahoo groups.
many of you long timers on this forum probably remember queenie.
she had multiple health problems and took a turn for the worse last month after a fall and died yesterday.
I do remember Queenie.
R.I.P.
Paul
recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
Also i feel that i no longer fear JW's and their teachings. It is as if i have wrestled back a bit of that power.
Paul
recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
Thanks for your comments so far.
With regards to the 607 issue. I have looked at many of the arguments mentioned for 587/6. History is a funny thing, in that it is written with agendas in mind. I have come to the conclusion that although there is much evidence in support of 587/6, the balance of probabilities would say that it is the correct date. However, because scholars do not take into account the 70 year desolation it cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt, which i was trying to do, i cannot get to this burden of proof. In light of this i came to the reasoning that if this date was what was keeping me away, because it cannot be conclusively proved i should at least explore the reasonings of the JW's.
Now i can look all day long at all the arguments in support of 587/6, but it will never imho be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Some will disagree and in all honesty i have looked at the arguments until they are coming out of ears. I feel i need to move on from this as i just keep going around in circles.
For me now, only after going back to meetings, the issues that i have is first of all the treatment of disfellowshipped ones. Secondly, the discouragement of higher education. Thirdly and most importantly the idea that to get to Jehovah we need the organisation as a mediator.
With regards to my drinking, i felt i needed to try to attempt a controlled way of drinking first before i attempted abstinence. This i did, so at least now i know controlled drinking doesn't work me at this present time. In a similar way i felt i had to go back with a clear mind to see what issues i had with it, to find out for myself, rather than rely on the information out there or this board.
I am glad i went back and have no regrets. At least i can learn from the experience and move on from there.
Paul
...a board yesterday in tae kwon do, my first.
:-d i was the only white belt who broke one too.
it was excellent empowerment therapy.
And only 4 years old too. Well done!
Paul
recently i posted a thread that i no longer wish to take part in discussions here as i felt uncomfortable wt bashing.
however, i feel that i have to start posting if only from time to time as i am at a very different stage as i was only 4 weeks ago.
i know i haven't been 'disfellowshipped' from here, even though i've disagreed with forum rules recently or have i 'disassociated' myself from this board as i still feel myself drawn to it.. i'll try to be brief with this, but the content could be drawn out.. as some of you are aware i have been battling alcoholism or alcohol dependency as i prefer to call it now (thats another story).
Something else i forgot to mention.
At the end of the convention i was walking back to the car with my kids. A few feet in front of me was an elder who i hadn't seen for about 20 years.
His son was a couple of years older than me, last i heard he moved to Italy. Anyway the conversation went on something lke this,
Me, ' so how's xxxx doing?'
Elder with a look of concern, ' not very well at all, he's not been doing too good.'
Me ( thinking he's ill or something), "Why, what's the matter with him?"
Elder, " he's got the......" then i couldn't make out the rest, cus of noise, etc.
Here i was, didn't want to ask again, seriously thinking he's ill. But i went on,
Me, " he's got what?"
Elder, "he's got the trappings of the world"
Me looking bemused and dazed, "oh"
Elder, " yes he's in Italy, he's got a job with loads of money, big car and it's lead him astray"
Well you could have knocked me over with a feather. Any normal father would be so proud to see their son doing well. But no, he paints it as a terminal disease.
Paul
hello to everyone here at jwd.
i've been lurking about and tossing out a few .
comments since i joined up a few weeks ago.
Hello and welcome to the board.
Sounds all to familiar. You've got a few more years on me though
Paul
