The Cult of Bowen vs. The Cult of Ray
Posts by DIM
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2The Bill & Ray Show
by MYOHNSEPH indoes anyone know if the bill & ray show is being looked at by a major network?
i think it would go over great on fox!
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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DIM
I agree with you Trauma Hound, it is all about the poor children. I feel bad for anyone of those kids that had to endure molestation or abuse of any kind. These statements DO NOT cancel out my above statement. They are both true.
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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DIM
Well put Princess. This whole thing has peaked in my disillusionment with the whole silentlambs movement, as well as some other things. Its like "follow the leader" except this time its bill bowen, not the watchtower society.
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DIM - 8 months out
by DIM inwell, its not like i post here too often, but i still occasionally browse through the various topics and catch up on what has been going on in the xjw world....after 8 months of not attending meetings i can honestly say i am much happier.
my perceptions and views of "apostates" and people who abhor the watchtower society has gradually changed too....at first i was all for all of the movements and stuff like that.
but now it seems almost its own cult to me, with all of its own catch phrases and "elite members".
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DIM
this posted twice for some reason, sorry!
Edited by - DIM on 20 October 2002 23:48:54
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DIM - 8 months out
by DIM inwell, its not like i post here too often, but i still occasionally browse through the various topics and catch up on what has been going on in the xjw world....after 8 months of not attending meetings i can honestly say i am much happier.
my perceptions and views of "apostates" and people who abhor the watchtower society has gradually changed too....at first i was all for all of the movements and stuff like that.
but now it seems almost its own cult to me, with all of its own catch phrases and "elite members".
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DIM
I absolutely would attend any future get togethers of XJW's in the Northwest, please don't forget about me...
Patio -
I loved both of Ray's books, I think you took my post the wrong way. I think both books were really helpful, but some (not all) people seem to idolize him which I find just absurd. On the same topic, I think Bill Bowen has done a hell of a job and alot of good, BUT to say that child abuse is more prevalent amongst JW's compared the general population is not true. I'm not minimizing anyone's pain or hurt but hell, I bet alot of catholic kids or mormon kids or even methodist kids are hurting just as bad. I think the problem is with religion in general, to be honest.
Mulan -
we had a great time, and hope to hook up with everyone again soon.
hmmm... maybe this "quitting the board" isn't as easy as i thought.
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DIM - 8 months out
by DIM inwell, its not like i post here too often, but i still occasionally browse through the various topics and catch up on what has been going on in the xjw world....after 8 months of not attending meetings i can honestly say i am much happier.
my perceptions and views of "apostates" and people who abhor the watchtower society has gradually changed too....at first i was all for all of the movements and stuff like that.
but now it seems almost its own cult to me, with all of its own catch phrases and "elite members".
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DIM
Well, its not like I post here too often, but I still occasionally browse through the various topics and catch up on what has been going on in the XJW world....After 8 months of not attending meetings I can honestly say I am much happier. My perceptions and views of "apostates" and people who abhor the watchtower society has gradually changed too....at first I was all for all of the movements and stuff like that. But now it seems almost its own cult to me, with all of its own catch phrases and "elite members". While the Silentlambs movement has done some good, I also believe that to say that the problem within the Watchtower society is worse than other religions is absurd. I also think some people involved in it are not in it with pure intentions. I think people have raised Ray Franz and Bill Bowen to an almost "saint like" status. I met some wonderful people at Princess' get together in August and had a great time meeting people who had the same experiences as my wife and I. But now I think its time for me to move on, delete this site from "my favorites" and live life. Best wishes to all of you, anyone please feel free to email me at
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Coming Out Party! Who Wants To Join Me?
by Funchback ini am officially retiring my other two personas (mister biggs and mister 8iggs).
quick history: i chose biggs because i am a huge fan of ronald isley (and his brothers).
i initially added 8iggs because i went over my quota for posts one day.
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DIM
Hey Brian -
Congratulations....it isn't easy, but its well worth it. Once you end up quitting meetings, you will feel so much better. Michalina and I have really felt so much better about everything once we moved out west - about everything except the Seahawks. Nobody is better than the Eagles and McNabb...anyway....good luck to you. It will all work out, and there is a TON of good in humanity and non witnesses...we've made alot of friends out here.
Jason and Michalina Adolf <DIM>
Auburn, WA <formerly Willow Grove, PA>
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Transitions after leaving the borg..experiences?
by LyinEyes ini am just going to put this out here to see how you all feel about this.......... here goes............... do you think that being a jw , especially raised in it, has taken away your chance of ever trusting yourself ever again in regards to what you believe in?
i mean , you can read books, many by very educated men/women, you can read every bible printed, you can read every self help book, but do you find yourself at times just not caring anymore?
i mean once your trust has been broken, what is the point in reading another man's version of what truth/reality is?
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DIM
My wife and I have only been out for 6 months, but right now we don't know what to believe. I don't think we'll ever get involved with an organized relgion ever again...as for our belief in God...not so sure about that either. We just don't know anymore. We can't believe we ever bought into the lies of the witnesses.
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Leaving the Flock-Biggs is Almost Out!
by Mister Biggs innearly one year ago, my doubts were brought to the surface from the deepest bowels of my brain.
in fact, this site scared the poop out of me!
but, facts are facts.
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Biggs -
It isn't easy, but it so worth it. Since me and Mrs. Dim quit going to meetings 6 months ago, we've felt so much happier, and Satan is really blessing us.
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PHILLY Phest III - 8/9/02 or 8/16/02
by Mister Biggs in.
anyone from philly, new jersey, or delaware is welcome to attend.. please let me know if you're interested by either posting a response here or e-mailing me.. location will be based on the respondents.
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DIM
can you guys mail me and Mrs. DIM a cheesesteak? we are dying out here.