Exactly nvrgnbk, I hope in the future humanity looks at the current religions the same way we look at the Egyptian ones now. As interesting museum pieces and historical buildings and an insight into how humans viewed the cosmos. Just not actually believed.
serotonin_wraith
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Who on this Board would love to get rid of Organized Religion?
by restrangled inimho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
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Who on this Board would love to get rid of Organized Religion?
by restrangled inimho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
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serotonin_wraith
I don't think religion should be outlawed. I can see that completely backfiring - people want what they can't have. I'd hate to be forced to go to church, so I don't think anyone should be forced to not go to church. It has to be a natural 'growing up' so that in the end religion has the same influence as something like a UFO enthusiast club.
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Opinion peice on Athiests
by SickofLies inthere seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
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There's no 'atheist hospitals' for the same reason Stalin didn't do what he did in the name of atheism. There's plenty of non religious hospitals though.
On the 'because they were atheist' thing - stating what someone doesn't believe in says nothing about what they do believe in. There are atheists who see religion as a good thing for society, there are theists who believe in God, but who think man made religions are a bad idea. And there's this example, which is very fitting for this board - JWs want religion to be outlawed, or turned upon. Not because of what they DON'T believe, but because they DO believe that would fulfill Bible prophecy. Even with the 'new atheist' movement, we don't do this because we are atheist, we do it because we see the danger in religion. I don't believe in Santa, but I don't get vocal about Santa belief. However, if Santa belief ever brought the same kind of danger as religion, I would. It would be about what I believed, not what I did not.
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Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?
by serotonin_wraith inhttp://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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Evolution is impossible because chromosomes are missing. So you can't cross two monkeys and come up with a human. But you can go the other way and cross two humans and come up with something pretty close to monkey.
Monkeys and humans share the same ancestor, which is neither monkey or human.
"I'll go round as a ghost offering Luke advice."
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Opinion peice on Athiests
by SickofLies inthere seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
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"In the name of" could be changed to "As an atheist", and would perhaps be a less troublesome for you?
Well, atheism just doesn't come into it. Change it for anything else they didn't believe in to see how silly it is. "As Thor deniers..."/"As pixie deniers..."/"As people who didn't believe in flying cheese monkeys..." It's all ridiculous.
Your entire argument against the fact that, collectively, atheist regimes murdered more than 100 million people, is that the writer used the term "in the name of atheism", lol.
lol.
No.
Oh, almost forgot your "other argument", your analogy that atheists don't believe in Santa, so they're somehow off the hook. Christians don't believe in Santa, either. Poor, poor, useless analogy, indeed.
You didn't get it. I was showing how saying they did bad things because of a-Santaism is silly. Just like it's silly saying they did bad things because they didn't believe in a god. You think there's a difference, but to the atheist, Santa and God are simply things they don't believe in.
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Opinion peice on Athiests
by SickofLies inthere seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
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Thanks for that link, BTS. I'll watch that in the next day or two. Here's a quote from someone who attended:
For those who couldn't be there, here's a summary of D'Souza's arguments, more or less in the order presented:
-Religion isn't bothering you, so leave it alone. Do I persecute unicorn believers?
-Atheists (i.e. Stalin and Hitler) killed more people than Christians
- Christians like Mother Teresa did more good things for the world than Atheists.
-All these different scientists/artists/musicians were Christians, so Christianity must be okay
-Just look at the complexity of the universe and the way the "dials" are set perfectly for us, therefore Jesus died for your sins
-Science can't know a 100% absolute truth (i.e. the problem of induction) therefore the miracle of the resurrection is true
-Evolution can't account for human morality and altruism
-The reason why atheists are militant is that they--like Hitchens--hate God. Probably it was some kind of past trauma.
-A society can't survive without religion.
-Mother Teresa was awesome, therefore Christianity is a good thing
Hitchens started out really strong and had a good opening presentation, but then he got bogged down in an argument over whether Christians or Atheists had killed more people in history that went nowhere. Then he kind of lost interest in the second hour and let D'Souza run away with emotional rants (Hitchens was getting pretty slurry toward the end too--that wasn't water he was drinking). So I'd say that D'Souza "won" the debate in the sense that he did a better job of presenting his (tired and lame) arguments. Hitchens wasn't strong on the physics or biology (didn't even correct the "biology can't account for morality" claim) and once D'Souza noticed that, he went for the arguments that Hitchens was weak on.
But the crowd seemed about 50/50, even though it was sponsored by a Christian power college, and maybe some people's minds were changed.
Brother Apostate has pasted some of his arguments and I didn't find them that challenging - the whole 'in the name of atheism' stuff, for example. Maybe there's better stuff he's written, but I haven't seen it yet.
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Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?
by serotonin_wraith inhttp://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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Oh Moses, that's no way to act. Calm down, anger solves nothing.
You too Jesus, take a page out of these kindhearted Christians' books and don't let it get to you. Just seek Jesus and you'll... oh.
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Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?
by serotonin_wraith inhttp://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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Atheists, just let go of the anger.
There's nothing positive about it.
BA- Helping his fellow man.
Theists, just let go of the irrational delusions.
There's nothing positive about it.
SW- Helping his fellow man and woman.
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Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?
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She's ahead of you, BA. Click her reply at the end of the blog entry where she answers such dumb reasoning as 'Just accept Jesus and you won't be angry' and shows how anger can be a good thing under the right circumstances.
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Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?
by serotonin_wraith inhttp://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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