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  Self Deceit and Faith.

  by hillary_step in

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  this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

  my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

  2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

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  serotonin_wraith

  It's not an indisputable fact. It's a theory.

  Would you change your mind if I were to present indisputable facts, or would your faith keep you ignorant?
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

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  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  serotonin_wraith

  BTS,

  Didn't you read my replies to you in that other thread? I addressed all that, so why repeat something that's been dealt with? Respond to the answers that were given.

  Perhaps more correct:

  What beliefs, ideology and philosophy does atheism stem from?

  You tell me, you're the one saying it's a belief system.
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  serotonin_wraith

  Burn,

  What beliefs, ideology and philosophy stem from atheism?
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  Self Deceit and Faith.

  by hillary_step in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".

  my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.

  2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.

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  serotonin_wraith

  BA,

  While God is not seen, we believers have faith that He exists, because we observe His creation’s complexity and design, that is proof .

  Do you have any other reason to believe in God apart from not accepting the proven fact of evolution which explains the complexity and 'design' you see?
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  Can You Be Satisfied Just Having Faith

  by Undecided in

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  i seem to be overwhelmed with not being satisfied with not knowing the answers to life and the universe.

  i can't seem to just accept some ancient writings of mankinds beginning.

  to have faith do you just ignore all questions that may be contrary to what you believe?

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  serotonin_wraith

  Every day humans are finding out more and more about the universe and Earth. Our knowledge is growing. Children in school now know more about these things than the greatest scientific minds did 500 years ago. Rather than hope to know everything now, another perspective would be to see how far we've come and be proud of that. The things we don't know yet are things to strive for. On the whole, we're all moving forwards, not backwards.
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  Godless souls

  by Aleman in

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  hello again!.

  i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.

  i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?

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  serotonin_wraith

  VoidEater covered some good comforting things I agree with.

  I know what wouldn't bring me comfort. Hoping I'd picked the right god to serve in the right way because if I didn't, I'd be eternally punished (as most humans on earth will be if Yahweh is real). Knowing that there's no way to know which of these gods is real if there is one. Thinking there's an evil being loose on the Earth making things so bad. Thinking God, the most powerful being ever, knows as much about science as people living in the desert 4,000 years ago. Thinking that cancer, natural disasters and other terrible things could have been avoided by God not wanting to prove a point to Satan.
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  serotonin_wraith

  Burn,

  Where?

  Atheists have done bad things, but atheism is not a belief system so it can't have been because they were atheist. People do things based on what they do believe, not what they don't.
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  Godless souls

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello again!.

  i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.

  i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?

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  serotonin_wraith

  So morals are worse because of instant worldwide communication that hadn't been invented before?

  How can you live knowing that there is no God to retreat for mental peace, at least, and go on life saying that there is no God?

  Because this is wishful thinking. It's a belief that brings you comfort. This could be why you believe.

  There are many good things that happen in the world and many good people, but it's usually only the bad stories that make it on to the news. Broaden your outlook to encompass more and I expect you'll see more good.
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  serotonin_wraith

  Is this a timeloop? I've pointed out 'bad things are not done in the name of atheism' and 'evolution says nothing about how the universe began' a billion times now (or so it feels). Whatever faith is, it seems to give people the minds of goldfish.
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  serotonin_wraith

  He ascribed the direction to the internal finality

  Okay. There is no 'finality'. Evolution is ongoing. You and I are not the final stage of human evolution. Maybe this 'finality' means something else, it's not too clear.

  The Cardinal agrees with you

  I know, so why did he mention chance at all? Is it to make it seem as if there was a mind behind it?

  Want a cookie?

  Well the piece is talking about faith and reason being hand in hand, and I don't see it.

  Whats that got to do with God?

  We are talking about things with no evidence here. Faries, gods, same thing. Did you do a detailed study into the 3000 gods available before deciding they were false and yours was right, or did you use common sense and say 'There's no reason to believe in them, so I won't'?

  I don't know how "guided" the biological process was.

  It's 'guided' by nature. Like a hurricane is 'guided' by natural external factors.

  At the beginning of time everything was set into motion. How much intervention came after, I don't know. However, I do know we are children of God.

  Well there wasn't any need for a god to involve himself with evolution. It's all perfectly explainable without one. Millions of people know Krishna is real. Millions know Allah is real. Millions have it wrong just as a matter of contradiction and cancellation.