I'd like people to accept reality and stop believing things they cannot possibly know. Deconverting would be more accurate.
serotonin_wraith
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Opinion peice on Athiests
by SickofLies inthere seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
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Opinion peice on Athiests
by SickofLies inthere seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
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serotonin_wraith
If I was to quote from the Book of the Dead, would you believe in Osiris?
Religious people are closed minded, because even after every 'reason' they have for believing in God is refuted, they very often use the faith card. It makes me wonder why they try to argue the points in the first place.
Someone is close minded when there is nothing that can be said or presented that will get them to change their minds.
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Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist
by darkuncle29 inso, what about those of us in the middle?
who identify as neither xian or atheist?
can either side accept/tolerate the middle?
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serotonin_wraith
A deist is belief in a god, but not one which has anything to do with the religious gods. So no Allah, Thor or Yahweh, for example.
About atheism not being a belief system. It helps to look at other things people don't believe in. We don't have words describing people who don't believe in Santa, no a-santaists. If we don't believe in alchemy, we're not a-alchemists. Not believing in ghosts doesn't make someone a-ghostist. It's just a state of being that doesn't require a name. It says nothing about a person's worldview, other than they don't believe in those things. Atheism has its name because there are many who believe in a god. A conversation could go like this:
-Which god do you believe in?
-None.
-What are you then?
-Um, human?
It would get confusing, so personally I just accept the label atheist, rather than explain it each time. But thinking there is an atheist belief system is like thinking all a-fairyists believe the same thing. The only thing atheists have in common with every other atheist is a lack of belief in a god, which is not the same as saying there is definitely no god. We just don't believe in one.
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Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist
by darkuncle29 inso, what about those of us in the middle?
who identify as neither xian or atheist?
can either side accept/tolerate the middle?
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serotonin_wraith
Agnostic means without knowledge, so we're all agnostics too. Nobody KNOWS.
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Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist
by darkuncle29 inso, what about those of us in the middle?
who identify as neither xian or atheist?
can either side accept/tolerate the middle?
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serotonin_wraith
Everyone is an atheist. Even those who believe in a god are atheists concerning all the others. Those who disbelieve all of them don't have a specific belief system all atheists agree with.
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Book of Matthew
by bite me inhere's a question that came up in a bible study... why would matthew include a lineage at the very begining of his book?.
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serotonin_wraith
Here's a more comedic view of the family line found in the gospels here-
http://syncretism.net/snd/FoF/richard-herring-christ-on-a-bike-edinburgh-pleasance-2000.mp3
Skip to about 44 minutes in.
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Should we unbelievers respect your faith? Warning another video!
by 5go ini can not say it better.. .
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serotonin_wraith
I don't believe in anything supernatural.
You believe in some supernatural things, but there are many supernatural things you dismiss because there is no reason to believe in them.
I'm saying that I don't think it's arrogant to think of believers of supernatural things as deluded, as even the believers themselves dismiss plenty of supernatural things themselves.
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Should we unbelievers respect your faith? Warning another video!
by 5go ini can not say it better.. .
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serotonin_wraith
I think it may be what supernatural things people believe in that should be considered. For example, it may be true that most people believe in supernatural things, yet would you think people who believed in faries were deluded? If so, then their numbers don't help your cause. You see them the same way a naturalist would. Millions of people believe Allah spoke to Mohammed, but if they are deluded then their numbers don't help you either. People believe in all kinds of supernatural things, but along with naturalists, you see many as deluded. I don't think it makes you arrogant to think that either. You'd just need proof.
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Should we unbelievers respect your faith? Warning another video!
by 5go ini can not say it better.. .
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serotonin_wraith
I think there are things beyond our senses, but I don't think they should be called supernatural. I still think they would be natural things, like sounds humans can't hear yet still exist, or lightwaves that were outside our realm of knowledge until we created the technology to sense them.
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Should we unbelievers respect your faith? Warning another video!
by 5go ini can not say it better.. .
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serotonin_wraith
Considering that something like 98% or so of humanity believes in something, and that belief has been universal throughout history, doesn't that sound a tad bit arrogant? I mean, you are essentially saying that the overwhelmingly vast majority of humanity is mentally deranged and that you yourself are not. "Everyone is crazy but me"
Can millions of people be wrong? Of course, and I shall prove it. We know people suffer delusions and hallucinations, it has been documented and recorded and written about throughout much of our history. There is proof this happens. We can measure brain wave patterns, interview people, and find there is absolutely no evidence to back up the claims of these people. The fact people can be delusional is undeniable. But what about religious delusion?
Let's look at just two religions in the world today. Christianity and Islam. With Muslims and Christians, much of their beliefs are different and exclusive. Muslims don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, and Christians think he was. Christians don't believe Muhammed was God's prophet, and Muslims think he was. At the very least, one of these groups is wrong. They cannot possibly both be right.
Yet each group has millions of believers who have a 'personal connection' with their god. Millions of people are obviously wrong in that assumption, whether it is the Christians, the Muslims, or both. Millions of people are living a lie and have the wrong worldview. Add to those statistics the various other religions on offer, and many millions more can be included in the delusional category. Common sense tells us that there are for definite millions of people on the Earth right now who are deluded about the god they believe in.98% of the world may believe in the supernatural, yet only 33% are Christian. Don't Christians think everyone else has it wrong? How arrogant!