sorry to saratonin wrath for his thread being hijacked.
real one ... please provide the evidence that you said was out there on this thread here to avoid further hijacking of the other thread.. insults towards non-believers are also better suited to this thread then the other one as well.. kwin.
I don't mind real one preaching. I know if I don't want to read what he/she has to say, I just won't read it. No one's forcing me to.
real one, people here have looked into the Christian beliefs. Some believe, and some see no reason to believe. You're welcome to bring your proof, and the atheists can show you it isn't proof at all. All you'll be left with is faith.
Are you open to the possibility YOU could be wrong?
if you are searching for jesus i may be able to help you find him.
he is in the bible.
its like magic.
Prophecies in the Bible tend to fall into three categories:
1. Ones that are fulfilled in the book.
i.e. "The Messiah will ride into town on a donkey." ... "He rode into town on a donkey, fulfilling prophecy." A no-brainer really, it's all written in the same book.
2. Ones that are completely obvious. "There will be reports of wars and famine and earthquakes." Yes, because there have been wars, famines and earthquakes for thousands and thousands of years. It's like saying 'there will be reports of the sun rising in Japan'. There seems to be an increase because of the power of instant worldwide communication. It's only because of modern technology I knew the Asian tsunami happened.
3. Ones that are yet to be fulfilled. i.e. Jesus will return. Well it's been 2000 years, and every generation from the early Christians until now has believed he'll return in their lifetime. They've all been disappointed.
if you are searching for jesus i may be able to help you find him.
he is in the bible.
its like magic.
Now tell me how anyone can read those words, study the Bible, and not have the power of the Holy Spirit working in their lives?
The same way you could read the Koran or the Book of the Dead and not believe in Allah or the Egyptian gods. People who don't believe the Bible is from any god are simply using the same criteria to judge that book as you use to judge all the other holy books.
from: http://www.thedesignoflife.net.
the cover of the design of life features an artists portrayal of human brain circuitry as it might appear if magnified many thousands of times.
the portrayal illustrates an intriguing discussion of the human brain in chapter one, quoted here in part: during the first eighteen months from conception, the brains neurons are formed, deployed, and connected in a tsunami of activity, at the rate of 250,000 per minute, until 100 billion neurons are arrayed in a powerful, organized matrix.
Would the north star be north of the north pole?
No. There is no north, south, west or east in space. Technically, the North pole on earth could be what we call the South pole. But we just had to decide what was up and what was down when we started making maps.
This sort of fits "string theory"and requires an infinite number of universes or what they call a multi-verse in which not only is everything possible, but likely . From what I read, this is the popular view today in quantum physics. If you can wrap you mind around that, believing in God seems quite sane to me.
Well I can see this universe, I know it exists. Just imagine another one. Simple. Keep imagining even more. Simple.
It's like seeing a bubble, then imagining millions of bubbles in the bath. Once you know one exists, it's easy to imagine many of the same thing.
we are all afraid of death, well most of us i should say.
that fear explains a lot of our behaviour, and with that in mind we could cut each other a little slack.
take those on the forum who come here to defend either the witnesses or their belief in god.
I don't fall into the above either. I'm fine with my death to come. I don't have a desire to live forever in some form. I'm glad I was born in the first place. If someone thinks they've won the lottery when they actually haven't, I don't envy that comfort, because it's false. Same with the belief in an eternal afterlife. As hard as life may be sometimes, I'd rather face that than believe in something that isn't true, just because it gives me comfort. I think it's quite immature.
i spoke with a born again today.
i am wondering if this person represents how they all think or just some.
i'll assume just some.
Here's some more to add to the list, yourmomma-
Egyptian hell-
The Egyptian underworld (called 'Duat') was sometimes referred to as "Neter-Khertet" (divine place underground) by the ancient Egyptians. The Egyptian God Horus, who was the sun, was said to die every night at the hands of his evil brother Set. Horus, the sun, would set in the West and travel 'under the world' from West to East, to be 'reborn' the next morning on the Eastern horizon (see: The sun of god).
Duat was also considered to be where the Egyptian people would go when they died. Upon arrival, an Egyptian's heart would be weighed on a scale by Anubis (the jackal-headed death god), against the "feather of Ma'at" (the feather of truth/justice), and then judged by Osiris (the god of life and death). A pure heart would be equal in weight to that of the feather of Ma'at, and the person would be able to live for the rest of eternity in peace. If the person's heart was heavy with burdon, however, it would weigh more than the feather of Ma'at, and the Egyptian with the heavy heart would be fed to Osiris' vicious baboon, Babi or fed to Ammit, the "bone devourer". In the event that a heart was lighter than the feather of Ma'at, that Egyptian would be sent to an area of Duat called "Aaru", a realm ruled by Osiris where Egyptians could exist in pleasure for all eternity. (see: Heaven)
Norse hell-
The Norse underworld is presided over by the Goddess of the dead whose name is "Hel". Hel is the daughter of Loki. This region is called "Helheim", which means "Hel Home" or "home of Hel" It is one of the "Nine Norse Worlds" (see: Norse worlds). Helheim is a desolate, misty place, which no one can leave beause it is surrounded by the river Gjoll. All who die of old age or disease go to Helheim. Only those who die valiantly in battle spend eternity in Valhalla, the opposite of Helheim. (see: Heaven) The entrance to Helheim is guarded by Modgud (the corpse eater whose breath is the frigid wind), and a guard dog named Garm (also called Fenrir), who has four eyes and is drenched in blood. His function is similar to that the Greek Cerberus. Within the walls of Helheim are various areas where souls could spend eterntity. "Baldur's Hall" is a cheerful area for good souls, who will spend the rest of time drinking ale and mead. On the other hand, "Nastrand" is an underworld prison for criminals, with walls woven from snakes, whose poison flows on the floor. The area of Nastrand is close to the Hell of Christian myth, whereas Baldur's Hall is comparable to the Greek Elysinian fields and Egyptian Aaru.
More information here (including other versions of hell) - http://www.christos-mythos.com/Hell.htm
I am not afraid of hell, any more than people here are afraid of duat or helheim. Nobody believes in those places because we weren't raised to believe in them. Christianity is just the dominant religion in our society. But if we'd been born in ancient Egypt, we'd now all be discussing whether or not our hearts would be weighed on Anubis' scales in duat. How silly would that be? Ah wait... it's the exact same situation today.
sorry to saratonin wrath for his thread being hijacked.
real one ... please provide the evidence that you said was out there on this thread here to avoid further hijacking of the other thread.. insults towards non-believers are also better suited to this thread then the other one as well.. kwin.
As you are not aware members here are EX-Jehovah's Witnesses, I question your research methods in other matters.
leaving the society was scary at first but i had to make myself grin and bear it.
i have renewed my relationship with christ and i am looking foward to his wonderful blessings in my future.
now that i am finally worshipping him in spirit and truth and i have the hope of going to heaven someday.
This isn't to mock you Burn, but from what you've been saying recently, Jesus must have taken a liking to you. He helps you out of a cult, leaving 6 million others still inside, and he helps speed up your recovery from cancer once the doctors have done their work, even though thousands never get better and die horrible deaths. I didn't think he'd discriminate like that, but perhaps he does.
sorry to saratonin wrath for his thread being hijacked.
real one ... please provide the evidence that you said was out there on this thread here to avoid further hijacking of the other thread.. insults towards non-believers are also better suited to this thread then the other one as well.. kwin.
Okay doke.
No scientist has said Jesus existed. Many historians have. Many also say Muhammad existed. There are people calling themselves the son of God right now, yet we don't believe them. There are many Hindu 'miracle workers' alive right now too with millions of followers. We know it's all rubbish. Why is it suddenly true if it's 2000 years ago?
You speak of hell. Which one? Many gods have many different hells.
It could be Allah's hell, and you can't prove Allah isn't real.
i have said before in past posts - i think a belief in a god is because of two bad reasons.. 1. ignorance (not always deliberate at all) of certain facts.
the universe and life on earth was not designed.. 2. wanting to believe in a god.. so, to focus on the second, i can see why people would want there to be a god.. you see dead loved ones again, you live forever, you have a purpose set out for you, you feel there's always a being with you through even your most difficult times.
for those who believe in a god, could you live without one?
Not quite Carmel. I probably didn't word it right. For those who believe in a god, how would you feel if you discovered there wasn't one (let's say proving a negative can be done)? Many who don't believe aren't that bothered at the thought of there being no god. It certainly doesn't bother me. I think the desire for there to be a god is so strong in some that it becomes one of their reasons for believing.
If someone says 'I believe, but it wouldn't bother me if there was no god' that's one thing. But if someone says 'I believe, and I think I'd kill myself or get extremely depressed if there wasn't a god,' that may be something to think about. Desires can override rational thought on occasion.
