Certainly, hobbies are not encouraged, although not condemmed, either. I find myself that I can now enjoy them without the guilt that used to go along with pursuing them.
j
in the congregation that we used to go to, and my parents and most of my relatives still do, very few had hobbies and interests other than being bound to the wtbts.. many made wine and brewed their own beer.
infact, all of my relatives are wine and beer makers.
there are a few gardeners, but i'm hearing how they are trying to grow their own grapes and fruit so that they can make their own wine!.
Certainly, hobbies are not encouraged, although not condemmed, either. I find myself that I can now enjoy them without the guilt that used to go along with pursuing them.
j
i seem to recall the wts teaching this many years ago.
the idea was that "apostacy" was the ultimate, unforgiveable sin, because it was.
tantamount to "sinning against the holy spirit".....does anyone recall hearing this idea, that "apostates", along with our buddy satan, will suffer.
It is common belief among Jehovah's Witnesses, however, that Apostates have "likely" sinned against the Holy Spirit, and will not likely ever repent and return to Jehovah's organization.I would be curious to know if this point has ever been raised in the magazines, it certainly is part of the "JW folklore", which suggests that the idea had to have emerged from the GB, Russell or Rutherford at some point in their history.
As far as I know, they have never been specific about what constitutes "sinning against the holy spirit".
j
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
We are in subjection to governments.
Where does the concept of "subjection" come into play with the WT's CHOICE to become an NGO?
j
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is it harder to get reinstated after being df'd for apostasy than any other sin?.
i would imagine that if a jw admitted posting here over 10,000 times, that it could be difficult to be re-instated....lmao.
I know of one person, in a former cong that was able to do it, but only with major a$$ kissing. And this continued for the rest of their existence in the org.
j
this is what you hear every time there's a part on the kingdom hall construction program.
they're only possible because god's holy spirit blesses the work.
otherwise, what is accomplished would be physically impossible.
For anyone familiar with the 80/20 rule, it's more like a 95/5 rule on quick builds. Roughly 5 percent of the workers, do 95 percent of the work. I worked RBC for several years, and did 3 renovations without RBC. There was a small "core" of skilled brothers that actually knew what we were doing, and did most of the work. Many times, it was a matter of "re-doing" much of the work done by the unskilled help. This meant many late nights away from family, time off from work, etc. Holy spirit my a$$.
j
being one of jehovah's witnesses
after having been one of jehovah's witnesses either through being raised as one or getting the "truth" from the preaching work, some have reverted back to the organization as one of the "lost sheep".forgive us our trespasses .
it is well documented what the watchtower has done regarding the issues of.
I'm with Met on this. I can forgive on the basis that the organization, (meaning the individuals in it, not so much the collective organization), may have good intentions. But those "good" intentions, still don't change the fact, that they lied, misrepresented what little truth they did tell, continue to hurt families, and individuals, etc. No point in going back to that.
j
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i was thinking today, imagine if people had their faiths and opinions but no actual religion backing them up.. i believe that it would help stop cults e.t.c making money off people and controlling peoples lives and would help make the world a lot more peaceful.. i've yet to come across a religion that doesn't have problems or in some way is hypocritical.. what do you think?
Only a society composed of truly mature people can be improved by the absence of organized religion. Until then the illusion and hope that it offers may still be needed.
Interesting take. Even though I am an atheist now, I tend to agree with that statement. Slowly, I think we are getting there though, as it seems the worlds biggest problems today are caused by religion.
j
i tried this because i'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie, but i am also a bit afraid if heights(or edges to be more precise)so i wanted to know if i could do it.
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i did it albeit with more swearing than others there, another perk of ex-dubdom....
Well, there are certainly things I'm going to DO, such as vote, give blood, and contribute to other charitible organizations.
Aside from that, although I'm not the extreme sport type, I am giving much more time to pursuing hobbies, (presently, in the beginning stages of building an electric car, for example).
I found the occasional cigar is no so bad, either.
j
i saw a web site about this..does anyone know what it is?.
btw i am a grandma to three, mother to three, wife of thirty one yrs to the same wonderfull man... hello to all of you!
One that leaves the org.
j
did any of you ever notice that what seemed a larger percentage of people in the congregation seem to have serious illnesses than the same slice of people in the world with the same demographics?
it seems that our congregation had a large percentage of people with mental illnesses, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, etc.
these diseases (although some md's classify them as psychosomatic) have been known to be aggravated or even induced by stress.
The only people I've ever known with CFS are jws.
j