Posts by done4good

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evolution or creation? lets talk...

by Sam87 in

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ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

(or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

done4good

I believe in creation purely and simply for the fact that human beings are too complex to `just happen`.

I'm sure after 6 more pages this has been discussed at nausium, but as many have already said, it is the creationists' view that human beings, (as well as all other life and non-life matter), just happened. Evolution is based on CUMMULATIVE changes over VERY LONG periods of time. So long, that we humans have a very difficult time attempting to put that kind of time into perspective. Occasional mutations of simpler organisms eventually produced more complex organisms. Were not talking about periods of hundreds or even a few thousand years in most cases. These periods were far longer than that, and sufficient enough to allow for the probability that more advanced species would result within that length of time. Species that evolved "less than useful" traits, were often weeded out of existance via natural selection, those that evolved more "useful" traits, typically survived. Hardly a matter of "just happening". The probability of a god existing that somehow accomplished this is far less likely, in terms of sheer numbers.

While science cannot categorically prove every aspect of evolution, (there are many debates as to HOW it happened), there are indeed hard facts for a great deal of the theory. What we know of creation completely disagrees from what facts we do KNOW about evolution.

I'll put my wager on science.

j

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Getting DF'ed next Thursday -- hold me!!

by JimWood in

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we are finally free, monday night we had our witch hunt.

they tried to get us to confess to anything.

we came to the jc thinking that we would be talking about the un material that we passed out.

done4good

Congrats, Jim! Enjoy your freedom!

j

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Should I DA myself or not?

by Mrs Smith in

this is my first post, some of you have read my hubby's story - agent smith - anyway i was just wondering if i should write a letter to disassociate myself or just leave things as they are.

i have not been to meetings for about 8yrs but have only just come to realize what a load of rubbish the jw's teach.

now that i have read "crisis of conscience" i have no doubt that jw's are corrupt.

done4good

As others have said, if you have gone 8 years and no problems so far, you have already faded. Enjoy!

j

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When you started to arrive on your decision about leaving

by The wanderer in

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when you started to arrive on your decision about leaving it happened one day sitting at a sunday meeting, i noticed so many in-.

dividuals reading the answer directly out of the watchtower magazine .

and my thoughts were " does anyone in this place have any imag-.

done4good

Wanderer,

I agree that the way people answered right out of the publications always bothered me. What even bothered me more was the actual "encouragement" to put the answers from the paragraph into "your own words..." Basically, repeat the paragraph, just word it differently.

To answer your question, I put up with this kind of stuff, (and many others things that concerned me),for more years than I care to admit. Unfortunately, I didn't have the presence of mind to leave because of them. It took some hard life lessons to make me actually leave. However, when I fianlly did leave, it did not take me long to come to some very absolute conslusions about the organzation, and then leaving for good.

j

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Ever wonder why so many inactive ones never actually become ex-jws

by done4good in

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i have been considering this often lately, as i know many who have for all intents and purposes, left the organization, yet they still believe it is the truth.

i know when i left, it wasn't long before i had to really investigate for myself, (after a matter of about three months of just taking a "breather"), weather or not what jws taught was actually the "truth".

i think, this was because i realized that something other than just my own weakness had to be what made me "give up".

done4good

I have been considering this often lately, as I know many who have for all intents and purposes, left the organization, yet they still believe it is the truth. I know when I left, it wasn't long before I had to really investigate for myself, (after a matter of about three months of just taking a "breather"), weather or not what jws taught was actually the "truth". I think, this was because I realized that SOMETHING other than just my own weakness had to be what made me "give up". As it turned out, I was right. There was, obviously much wrong with the organization, and it did not take me long to realize that it wasn't the "Truth". It was actually quite a simple process, once I did it.

That said, what keeps "inactive" ones from taking it one step further and actually doing some research on the WTS? I mean, for the peace of mind alone, the time spent is worthwhile. I don't know how someone can live with the constant nagging feeling of "I just couldn't do it, but I know I'm wrong", kinda thing. I have an "inactive" jw friend of mine, almost completely not living the "jw lifestyle", yet is very reluctant to consider the possibility that the org just might be wrong. I really don't see how someone can be content with that.

j

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I sent him a letter, here is his reply!

by Matt_fs in

hey folks,.

for those of you who dont know, i sent my jw friend a letter " http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121182/1.ashx " after about 3 weeks, i got his reply in my inbox.

i was pretty excited to read it, but only was i disappointed with some of the things he said, and ill explain that after you read it, so here it is: .

done4good

Like someone told me, only the strong willed can escaped the orginization. Sadly, most of them are not.

Very true. This is why many become "inactive", but never actually stop believeing it's the truth. They would rather go through the pain of thinking they are a failure, rather than consider, that maybe, just maybe the organization is wrong.

Matt,

Don't take it personally. We all would have written similar letters not too long ago. I'm learing myself what topics to stay away from talking to jw friends, (there's only two plus my sister that I still talk to).

j

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Meetings are BORING!

by 5thGeneration in

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why do the brothers take such offense when someone says that the meetings are boring?.

i can't possibly fathom how people who have been going to the meetings for decades can sit at the kh and listen, for example, to yesterday's wt study for an hour about adam and eve, cain and abel, how we are all allowed to pray, blah, blah, blah... and not be bored out of their minds!.

.

done4good

I used to like them.

That lasted maybe a year after baptism. I don't remember when I last didn't complain about the boredom in private circles. Many of those that I know complained as well are still going.

j

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When's the last time you went to the Kingdom Hall?

by JH in

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it's been a little over a year for me.. about 15 months..

done4good

January, 2006, (although pretty much stopped by November of last year).

j

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How did you feel, when you missed your 1st Memorial?

by JH in

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i remember going to each memorial even when i was inactive.

i felt that i had to go to atleast that meeting.. then one year, i was sick on that day, and didn't go to the memorial.

it was a funny feeling to miss the most important day of the year, as a jw would call it.. but i got used to it, when i missed my 2nd and 3rd memorial..

done4good

This year was the first I missed. Felt damn good, (after learning the WTS was full of shit).

j

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How do you remember all the posters?

by MsMcDucket in

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i have to admit that i'm having a hard time.

there's so many who take the time to make responses to my posts.

good and bad, which are all needed to help me keep my hat on straight.

done4good

Honestly, I'm bad with names when I can't put a face with them, (why I use my photo for avatar), but like Warlock said, I get to know people the more they post.

j