Posts by done4good

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How big of a problem is apostasy.

by joe134cd in

i often wonder if apostasy could be defined as the "silent problem", as the majority who leave for this reason choose to fade saying nothing.

in all the decades i was a witness i could probably count on 2 hands those who were disfellowshipped for apostasy.i must admit it wasn't until i came on the internet that i fully realise the depth and extent of the problem.

i think of that young girl high school speech that went viral, and you can't tell me all those 300000+ views were all none jws.

done4good

BluesBrother - NB you would not be apathetic if you believed that Armageddon was imminent.

In terms of absolute reality, that is correct. In terms of relative acceptance, I think most JWs "believe" as long as it is convenient to. Apathy is more a form passive-aggression, where actions speak louder than words, (or even conscious thoughts), so while they may consciously "believe" at some level, the apathetic demonstrate disbelief by their actions.

That is still not the same as apostasy, which in practice is a deliberate conscious effort, even if covert. The apathetic would defend the WT in a heartbeat, if held to it. Been there done that on both the giving and receiving end.

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How big of a problem is apostasy.

by joe134cd in

i often wonder if apostasy could be defined as the "silent problem", as the majority who leave for this reason choose to fade saying nothing.

in all the decades i was a witness i could probably count on 2 hands those who were disfellowshipped for apostasy.i must admit it wasn't until i came on the internet that i fully realise the depth and extent of the problem.

i think of that young girl high school speech that went viral, and you can't tell me all those 300000+ views were all none jws.

done4good

Steve2 - Apathy is doing a fine job all by itself.

I guess that is somewhat open to interpretation. I don't think that argument goes over well for people wanting their loved ones out. Apathy does not necessarily lead to someone's leaving.

OTOH, there are a hash number of the apathetic class that do eventually leave, (I was apathetic for my last few years in). So apathy does have some precancerous properties from the WTS' perspective for sure.

Apathy also causes others to take notice and wake up.

Just don't expect someone who is apathetic to wake up and leave. More times than not, it does not happen that way, because these folks are often too comfortable as JWs.

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JW's are Egomaniacs and the Org is an Ego machine

by freemindfade in

i've been thinking a lot lately about ego vs self.

i have also been trying to differentiate freudian model of ego, super & id, but more of a ego=false self vs soul=true self.

while there are many ego institutions out there, the witness reality buries its victims in a avalanche of ego.

done4good

The entire system is based on superficiality. That is what happens when that same system is based on falsehood. The lies must be hidden from view, so what better way to that, than make everyone believe they are morally superior, more righteous, etc. It works. People's egos are merely an insidious by-product of a inherently corrupt system.

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Was it worth it?

by John Aquila in

for those of you who left family and friends and had to start over from scratch just to get out of the organization, was it worth it?.

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done4good

Yes. There was no other option in the end. I lost one friend that I truly cared about, (several years after leaving when she learned I was really done4good), and yes, it still hurts like a bitch.

I would still do it all over again.

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California Supreme Court Case - S226656

by Gayle in

jw
friends

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

started 5/27/2015.

done4good

Vidiot - Wait, what?
Is this condition something the court imposed upon them?

They were found negligent specifically because of allowing Kendrick to work with Candice in FS. The negligence charge was upheld in the appellate court. That sets a precedent.

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California Supreme Court Case - S226656

by Gayle in

jw
friends

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

started 5/27/2015.

done4good

Doubting Bro - "The danger to them isn't necessarily the few millions they are going to pay out on this case, its the precedent that's been set and the future lawsuits they are concerned about."

Vidiot - I heard that.

Having the fines reduced isn't enough for them; they want a precedent set that'll completely immunize them from any pedo-related legal trouble in the years to come.
From their perspective, that brass ring is totally worth the risk of having a higher court overturn the current outcome.

This.

WT does not care about the 1-2M they are going to lose. They have reached out of court settlements for far more.

They are still scared shitless of the legal precedent that been been set, and this appeal proves how scared they are.

The subtle twist that played out in the last appeal, was that even though the punitive damages were dropped, based on the court decision that churches are not obligated to inform their members of abuse offenders, WT still needs to prevent these offenders from taking part in activities involving minors, (i.e. in this case the field service), so guess what? It is basically impossible for WT to continue business as usual. They either have to make special arrangements for field service where an elder "in the know" is always taking the group out to ensure that the offender is not working with a minor, or prevent these guys from FS altogether. Either scenario is untenable to WT. Both expose the offender by default.

The court knew what they were doing, and WT is f@cked. This is a win after all.

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Govening Body and JWN

by John Aquila in

do you think any members of the governing body visit this site-jwn regularly?.

how about the heavies in the organization, like the writers, lawyers, and other who work at headquarters?.

for all we know john aquila could be a member of the gb..

done4good

It is unlikely they look themselves. They believe their own bullshit too much.

They are also cynical, and perhaps diabolical enough to see nothing wrong or hypocritical to employ someone whom they consider expendable enough to do the job, (JW or not).

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By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

by FadingTruth in

august 2015 awake .

quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

done4good

I cannot believe they actually had the audacity to quote Richard Dawkins again, after he slammed them for quoting him out of context in the old Creation book, in his work, The God Delusion.

Talk about f@cking clueless.

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Watchtower Society and Science

by FusionTheism in

is the governing body's methods and practices all that much different from the way scientists work?.

some prominent scientists and big media in the 1970's were pushing imminent disaster from global cooling.

now its global warming and they all sweep the global cooling fiasco under the rug and act like it was just one or two rogue individuals.. other examples can be given: scientists being wrong on the eternal universe, black holes, whether eggs or coffee are healthy or harmful, presenting fake fossils, etc.

done4good

Some prominent scientists and big media in the 1970's were pushing imminent disaster from Global Cooling. Now its Global Warming and they all sweep the Global Cooling fiasco under the rug and act like it was just one or two rogue individuals.

Let me guess...Faux news?? Hannity? Rush??

In any case, you are missing the point. Understand what science is first. It is a methodology, not a ideology. IF, and I think it is a big IF, scientists said such back in 1970's, it was based on limited information that needed to be tested through a hypothesis. When that hypothesis proved this supposed theory wrong, it went the way of a flat earth. In this case, or in any other, science does not make claim to absolute "truth".

Science moves on, when new information proves a theory wrong, science adjusts and does not dogmatically bind itself to ideology. Comparing the WT to science is about the most ignorant thing I have read on here in some time. The WT simply moves the goal posts, and claim "they never said that".

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Hierarchy of Needs Revelation

by freemindfade in

in my quest to always understand why jws get so f%$@ed up (yes oubliette, lets review lol) i discovered something today.

in speaking with one of my fellow heathen friends from this site i was talking about maslov's hierarchy of needs in an unrelated subject but i had an epiphany.

witnesses are held at the third level and never make it to the oh so critical top two sections.

done4good

So true.

The ones that do make it to the fourth level usually leave at some point. Most struggle to maintain the second level, and hope for the third.

"Acceptance of facts" is the big actualization factor, that the rest of this level pretty much hinges on, so if someone at the cusp of leaving does so because of this reason, they are not too far off from achieving self-actualization at some level.

Btw, Maslow never suggested that one level must become "fully" realized to advance to the next. The idea is to become "mostly" realized at any given level, before one can "care" enough to advance to the next. This also explains very elegantly why many cannot see TTATT, despite intelligence.

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