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  Do You Honestly Believe That You Would Have Officially Left The JW Religion If They Didn't Shun You?

  by minimus in

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  i left as an inactive person.

  i pretty much have been left alone by the elders and witnesses, as far as being hounded.. i know of many that either disassociated or got disfellowshipped.. i'm wondering if you think you would have remained a jw, in name only, if the religion (cult) didn't shun and penalize as they do..

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  done4good

  I am not entirely sure this question is relevant to what the JW religion actually "is".

  The JW religion is a social meme with very specific attributes that allow it to exist. One of those principal attributes is the shunning policy. If this were removed, the product that is the JW religion would either not exist, or would be something very different from what we know. The whole of something is not really the sum of its parts, but rather the product of the interaction of those parts, along with the environment it operates within, (society at large).

  I doubt very much I, or most here who have been a JW for any part of adulthood, would have been one long without the shunning policy. As a result, the organization manages to keep members, (therefore exist), because of it.

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  Our 10th Wedding Anniversary today.

  by quellycatface in

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  hello everybody peeps.. i got married out of the troof.

  they said it wouldn't last etc.. hasn't been easy.

  my hubs is still my best buddy.. and i ain't a jw no more.

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  Congrats QCF!!!

  I was married 10 horrible years to my JW ex...

  Now 7+ (8 years living together), with a wonderful never been a jw girl...Never been happier!

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  What did you lose your virginity to JWN? Before or after leaving the JWs?

  by usualusername in

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  i visited this site about 2 years after leaving?.

  when did you first visit jwn?.

  paul.

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  done4good

  I figured things out on my own. I never would have come to an "apostate" site otherwise. I was out both mentally and physically for about 3 months before I became curious enough to validate my thoughts. That was in 2006.
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  Bizarre comment about jw.org at SAD

  by sir82 in

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  recently attended a sad.. bethel speaker was gushing about the wt's embrace of new technology, in the part of his talk warning about "apostate" web sites.. a loose summary of his comments:.

  "and the brothers at headquarters have made it very safe for you to go to our website.

  in fact, the brothers talked to the folks at google, and they made a special arrangement so that when you type in 'j w period' into the google search engine, it automatically shows you the jw.org website.

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  done4good

  Absolute nonsense about getting Google to change how their search algorithm works.

  This is just another piece of evidence of how fearful they are. They were backed into a wall having to adopt technology, both the Internet, (20 years late), and mobile applications, partly to remain relevant in today's society, but also largely for economic reasons. They had no choice.

  Peer to peer computer networks, (and the Internet is the mother of them all), are decentralized by design, and redistribute power away from a central source. A hierarchial, authoritarian, high control group like WT wants anything but to be decentralized, and they are running scared for sure.

  Popcorn anyone?

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  The Watchtower: Does This Game Of Jenga Ever End?

  by metatron in

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  there are a great many fine posts here - and some from 8 years back - detailing how apathetic and perfunctory the organization has become.. and yet, it still stands, doesn't it?.

  is there any point to be reached in this apparent 'experiment in sociology' in which they wake up and say 'screw this?

  ' if they crammed 10 congregations into one hall and stole the money, would any witnesses wake up?

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  done4good

  It will take time, but the WT is in decline, for sure.

  Because many are hurt, they want to see the WT collapse soon. This is in the obvious hope that their loved ones will leave, because they see no other way for them to get out. The truth is, if someone REALLY is of that sort, a collapse of WT will not matter. These poor folks will either find another high control group to join, or loose thier sense of well being altogether. Fortunately, most people do have their limits.

  The ones capable of leaving will leave once a certain threshold is exceeded. This is usually caused by something hurtful or disruptive enough to their own lives in some manner. This is what happened to most of us, and we should not expect anything different of anyone else still in. I know some very intelligent people that cannot see their way out, but would if it hit home close enough.

  The bottom line is, don't hold out for the collapse. It will happen eventually, but will not cause some mass exodus to get our loved ones out. It will be a long, slow brain drain, where the organization's best and brightest will leave as they are pushed too far.

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  The future of the meetings?

  by Kool Jo in

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  i bumped into this website....really interesting:.

  you however need a pw to access....if this was more popular, i could see khall attendance dropping, as we know, most people simple go just to appease others: .

  http://www.livekingdomhall.com/.

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  done4good

  Vidiot -

  I take that as a complement coming from you. I like your posts.

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  The future of the meetings?

  by Kool Jo in

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  i bumped into this website....really interesting:.

  you however need a pw to access....if this was more popular, i could see khall attendance dropping, as we know, most people simple go just to appease others: .

  http://www.livekingdomhall.com/.

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  done4good

  Social evolution, laregely driven through technology, will be the WT's undoing, eventually. Even seemingly "good" things from the organization's or JW's perspectve, (such as making it "easier" to attend meetings), really work against the WT's intentions in the long run. The WT is an authoritarian organization with a very hierarchical structure, that completely depends on controlling its subjects. These types of things work to slowly break that structure down.

  This is precisely why they are desparate lately.

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  Drinking and JWN

  by BU2B in

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  i am drinking a japanese beer called kirin ichiban right now exploring the wonderful threads of the past here on jwn.

  i love this forum so much.. how many here enjoy an adult beverage while browsing jwn?

  i love all of you guys :).

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  done4good

  It is 10:30 on Sauturday night, wifey fell asleep watching tv...Listening to ELO's Eldorado and drinking a cabernet while reading. Be even better with some vegatation!
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  Me Before and After leaving the Lie

  by cantleave in

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  when i was serving as an elder.

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  now.

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  done4good

  No need to fake that happiness!

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  Really bizarre part on the meeting last night

  by stillin in

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  on the service meeting there was a part covering a couple of pages from the tms guidebook chapter on warmth and feeling.

  rather than coaching the r&f on how to make a school talk sound warm, it focused on the people that jws meet in their ministry.

  basically, the part could have been labelled "how to fake warmth and feeling.

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  done4good

  The meeting that always caused the most cognitive dissonance for me was the Service Meeting. Nothing more than sales instruction.

  Integ - I agree. Fake to the core. But as jgnat has mentioned, they actually start to rationalize faking their belief, so they don't even know they are faking it, eventually. I think this is the biggest reason why as jws get older, they either become more hardcore, or they leave either physically, or mentally through apathy.

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