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  "Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?

  by LHS123 in

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  i am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.

  i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.

  one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .

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  freemindfade - During this time I heard it said to me or my spouse "using the word shunned is an apostate word"... while there it is in print. I was also told by someone I have been so close to for 35 years "I am not shunning you, I just won't do anything with you socially, I wont follow you on social media, etc, but I AM NOT SHUNNING YOU, we just wont do anything together again"...

  Unfortunately, this type of anti-logic is almost impossible to reason with. You need to get them to understand logical fallacies first. You likely will not be able to have the ability to get that far in conversation.
  

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  "Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?

  by LHS123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.

  i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.

  one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .

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  FMF: I was also told by someone I have been so close to for 35 years "I am not shunning you, I just won't do anything with you socially, I wont follow you on social media, etc, but I AM NOT SHUNNING YOU, we just wont do anything together again"...

  JW's lie to everyone, including themselves. They are completely dishonest about who they are and what they believe, even to themselves.

  Just one minor point of clarification. They lie to themselves first, which is precisely why they can lie to everyone else and not even know it.

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  How Come the Watchtower does not admit "We Don't Know Anything About Bible Prophecy" and come clean?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  2. beliefs

  so many of us have been caught up in the negative effects this religion placed over our lives and those who we love very much.

  i am the first one to tell my kids "i don't know s&^^ about this or that subject", if the watchtower is truly our brother or spiritual mother why don't they tell us the following questions we all have asked them?.

  1. we screwed up about 1914 and "life is short, go live your life to the fullest while maintaining justice and morality, don't hurt your fellow man by making his life screwed up!.

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  The answer is simple. They would cease to exist.

  Think about it for just a minute. If they told they don't know the answers, people would look elsewhere. They would lose members, (almost overnight), then...

  Survival drives many instincts, both consciously and subconsciously, for both organisms and organizations alike.

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  Do You Think Humanity Will Ever Be Completely Free From Religion?

  by InjusticeSystem in

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  2. current

  i realize that many here still have a form of spirituality or faith, and i mean no disrespect to those individuals.

  i suppose i am posting this question to those, like myself, who have come to the conclusion that religion in general is a major hindrance to the progress of our species and needs to be put aside so that we can advance to our full potential.

  so my question is, do you think this will ever actually happen, and how do you think we can get there?

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  Social evolution happens. While they technically still exist, really how many flat earthers are there?

  For all intents and purposes, religion will one day make about as much sense to society as a whole.
  
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  Why are there so many pedophiles predators in the Watchtower Corporation?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. child-abuse

  one reason is because the governing body's policies allow them to run loose in the congregation with their secrecy/kangaroo courts.

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  to keep jehovah's name untarnished(organization sock puppet) they have put the little rank and file member at risk.. one member of the gb was a child molester.. sexual repression also seems to aggravate the situation and make matters worse.. the governing body main concern is not children but how to keep the scam going and so if they can get the victim to shut up and not go to the police as it offers a temporary fix.. etc.....

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  The policies of the org protect these criminals, and there is a correlation between a higher number of these criminals in repressed cultures.
  
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  "Christians are leaving the faith in droves" - Pew Research

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  according to this article, a recent pew research concluded that until 2050, an estimated cumulative net number of 65.050.000 will opt out of the christian faith, and the trend is accelerating.

  on the other hand, the "unaffiliated" will have a net growth of 61.490.000.. eden.

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  What Phizzy said is basically about right, even in the US, (at least on either coast, maybe not the Midwest or deep south, as much).
  

  Religious people have been in the minority for quite some time, and for the most part, the particularly religious are considered misfits. Many claim a religion, but pretty much interpret their "religion" they way they want to, and this has been this way at least as long as I have been around, (since the '70s). It is likely that fewer people today "identify" with a religion, because they have a greater degree of honesty about it.

  Despite how the USA may appear to the rest of the world, most people are not religious fanatics by any stretch. The main issue here is the minority on the religious right have a disproportionately large voice in our political system, due to the way our state representation works. When this is fueled by a plutocracy that preys on the uneducated for its own gain, you have what you see from abroad looking at the USA. (Obviously, this should be its own thread, didn't mean to hijack).

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  New Watchtower and Awake 11 pages of shallow articles...what happened!!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  found the latest copies next to the toilet {witnesses must have visited my wife} and had a look after not reading anything for a year.

  its a pamphlet not a magazine!

  only a few pages long with shallow articles.it felt like my "spiritual food" was now those cheap home delivered diet t.v meals!!

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  Witness007 - What happened to the solid and deep material?

  Was there ever any?
  

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  Why are people burning their city to the ground in Baltimore? How doe Looting and Mob Violence Help?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. social
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  it's hard enough for businesses to enter these areas the government once had to offer up tax breaks to service them.

  in watts, california it took decades for city residents to get a grocery store after the thugs burned their businesses to the ground.

  you can see the insanity taking place, when you allow mobs and fools to burn building down nothing good comes from it.

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  Simon-That's because I didn't claim that. The riots are a reaction to perceived bias and shootings. Shootings are a consequence of having so many guns. If cops are expecting guns to be drawn then some are going to be quicker to draw theirs. The chances of accidental / over-reactive shooting incidents is an inevitability.\

  This is a good point, but requires people to take a step back and understand the containing system, (the environment within the USA and its gun policies and how they relate to violence overall), and the contained system, (the actual immediate system that is causing the violence). Most people will probably not take this "big picture" view into consideration.

  Hint: The big picture matters
  

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  Excellent article: Inherited Religiosity: What it means for how nost 'Believers' believe

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  inherited religiosity: what it means for how most believers believe.

  by yoginder sikand.

  03 april, 2012countercurrents.org.

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  Good article.
  

  It has a lot to do with personality types, also. Guardian types, (a broad MBTI category that includes ISTJs, ESFJs, etc.), make up about 40% of the population, (the largest broad category). These types have a natural tendency, (more than most), to uphold traditions, including the religion of their parents. They tend not to be the best independent thinkers by nature, and are likely the least negatively affected by cognitive dissonance, (so they don't really feel the pressure to fix any mental conflict). These are the types it typically takes a personal event to rock their world hard enough to make them "think"...
  

  Not sure if this is good or bad news, but likely is reality.

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  2015 Convention Reminders Video!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  credit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .

  .. .. atlantis!.

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  Did the couple eating lunch together @3:31 have a chaperone?