HEY ZEV!
Im glad you are doing okay. Sounds like you're better than okay.
Give Gwen a hug for us.
We have missed you.
Dino
see that smile?
i made reference to taking sometime off as i had made major changes in my life.. if you caught this post..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19286&site=3.
youll know where ive been.
HEY ZEV!
Im glad you are doing okay. Sounds like you're better than okay.
Give Gwen a hug for us.
We have missed you.
Dino
just discovered this thread by going to who's who.. i guess i'll add my life story.. born and raised a dub, i didn't really mind being a witness but always had a secret desire to celebrate christmas, birthdays and halloween.
they always looked fun.. had a really fun time during the teen years, had some great friends and we did our share of partying, but never really got out of hand.
i was, for the most part, pretty good.
Thank you Tweetie.
Dino
especially simon and ann,.
and all those who emailed me with love concern and support.i received about 60 emails,several phone calls.. your love and compassion helped me thru a bad few days.
and for those who gave me unconditional love,for my acting out behavior,you are the people that makes this place and the world better for all.. you know who you are,thank you so very very much for this loving community called jwd.
Hi Tina.
I have never posted to you before but let me say that I am glad you're back. Hope things get better, as I am sure they will.
Dino
clinton and enron.
well, some have been picking on my boy w. bush.
while i read on in disbelief at the reasoning (just rubbish) that bush is somehow now a crook because enron donated money to the republicans!!
Lionel, you are one sharp cookie.
And right on.
Society's perspective on the whole left and right spectrum is a collective illusion.
And society gets yanked this way and that in that spectrum depending on who won the last election.
If you spend any time watching C-Span, you will notice:
1. The left and right are political enemies.
2. Each side is convinced that it knows how to make society better.
3. Each side is convinced the other enjoys undue sway.
4. Each side blames the other for the political quagmire that apparently prevents society from dealing effectively with its problems.
Its time to take the red pill! (The Matrix)
Lionel, I wanted to say thank you for your posts.
Dino
mrs ozzie and i are just back from a very stimulating week studying the complete bible book of romans at the feet of noted bible scholar paul barnett.. as many of you would appreciate, it was reading the book of romans that led many brooklynites to see the truth about 'the troof'.
much interesting detail is given in ray franz's book crisis of conscience.
in short, a thorough reading of the complete book, in context, would cause a thinking jw to start to question many of his previously held absolute truths.. we're a trifle tired, so maybe some tidbits later.
Im sorry reborn,
I wasnt too clear. I posted too fast!
What I meant was, I didnt come to a proper understanding of Romans chapter 8 (particularly verse 1) by reading the NWT.
Dino
mrs ozzie and i are just back from a very stimulating week studying the complete bible book of romans at the feet of noted bible scholar paul barnett.. as many of you would appreciate, it was reading the book of romans that led many brooklynites to see the truth about 'the troof'.
much interesting detail is given in ray franz's book crisis of conscience.
in short, a thorough reading of the complete book, in context, would cause a thinking jw to start to question many of his previously held absolute truths.. we're a trifle tired, so maybe some tidbits later.
Hi Ozzie.
Romans chapter 8 (not in the NWT), helped me out of the WT.
Look forward to hearing more from you later.
Dino
today i experienced the absolute "climax" in my life .
the first words he spoke to us, when we asked him about the state of health of my aunt, were: .
at this moment we were aware of the fact that my aunt always spoke the truth about this man; but she was unable to help herself.
seven, thanks for keeping this to the fore.
Erich, you must feel terrible right now. I am sorry to hear of you not only losing your aunt but being your dear loved one taken advantage of.
I realize that you are hurting right now, but perhaps by taking action you will save others from this predator. I dont know all the details, but if you have one elder that you can trust, have him call the legal department in Brooklyn. If they think for one minute that you are going to go public with this matter, you might be amazed at the results. And once again, this would keep your wife appeased.
In my opinion, if you handle this right you will honor your dear aunt's memory.
That might end that con-man/shepherd's game.
Im appalled at what happened to you at such a stressful time and you have my condolences.
Dino
when i was a jw (born and raised), i was lead to believe that the clergy class of christendom was some elite class who ruled over the meek and mild sheep of the congregation; that they wore fancy robes to do their services in, and generally were every bad thing the wts told me they would be.. they lied.. i attended a christian convention just this last weekend.
it was a non-denominational one, meaning you didn't have to be of a certain faith to attend, neither were some of the speakers who participated.
however, the organisers were from the anglican (church of england) religion so the communion on sunday was conducted according to anglican tradition, but i'll get to that later.. one of the things that hit me first was that you were allowed to wear what you liked.
Hi Prisca.
Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your experiences. Glad you had a memorable time. After all those meetings at the kingdom hall,(which are as dry as a popcorn fart)one notices a big difference in both the teaching and enthusiasm at other religious gatherings.
Thanks again, Dino
for sure!
dung beetles new signature is the best one ive seen for the new year!if you haven`t seen it yet check it out!..lol...outlaw
I just wanted to say that I think that DungBeetle is one happnin' girl. Who luvs' ya baby!!
Dino
i am curious.
does anyone really believe the dateline show will make very many current dubs "wake up" and leave?
do you think it will bring the organization down?
Bill Harvey Bowen has always said,
"Its for the kids."
He is certainly realistic enough to know that there wont be wholesale defections because of Dateline. That would be nice, but it wont happen.
My dear sister was molested by a career pedophile who was a ministerial servant at the time. I could go on and on about that situation, but I will just say this. After some time she was overwhelmed with guilt and began coming out from under the pedophile mind control game. She went to our mother whereupon she instituted judicial proceedings. He denied it and the VERY next day after the committee meeting was reading the Watchtower from the stage. I was a youngster at the time, but that memory is etched into my brain. He is now dead, but eventually my sister was exonerated when he was caught fondling someone else.
That was a long time ago and things have changed somewhat (even in the WT) since those days.
Bill is forcing the WT to change even more drastically in this area. The WT leadership knows full well that some rank and file JWs are going to be asked some very pointed questions about their policies on child abuse and pedophiles after that Dateline airs. No PR boys there to field questions and give a slick lawyer's answer.
So I gotta say to my old friend Bill,
Hang in there!
We love you.
Dino
PS Welcome to the board, Wren