I dont understand, what is the problem with discussion about WT & Illuminati...there might be nothing to this,
but on the other hand...there are may similarities on one place...for instance, can someone explain, why
Russell chose to have a pyramid as his gravestone? How many such gravestones are on our planet?
Or do you prefer "what's the weirdest thing JW ever said to you" threads?
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Watchtower and Illuminati
by izobcenec inhas anyone researched the claims of watchtower & illuminati connection?.
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/templar.htm.
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html.
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Watchtower and Illuminati
by izobcenec inhas anyone researched the claims of watchtower & illuminati connection?.
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/templar.htm.
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html.
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Please don't tell me to view the sites, I already have. Let's stick to the question. I want YOUR views.
Golf,
I have read some articles about WT & Freemasony before, but only recently found out some interesting views about Illuminati (section of Freemasony). I am still researching this theory. I posted this thread to see, what other posters (who maybe haven's seen those sites) think or know. It is an open forum after all.
Some interesting things:
Knights Templar Symbol for the York Rite of Freemasonry was on the front page of the Watcht Tower magazine for many years. The same symbol is alson engraved on the pyramid gravestone of Charles Russell:
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/templar.htm
The Pyramid is another very popular Freemasony symbol. Russell was highly interested in pyramids, he calculated many things with them (for instance 1914), he also visited egypt. here is one of his charts:
http://www.bible.ca/pre-russell-1915-pyramids-jws.gif
Did Masons financed the Watchtower society? I found this document (just a section) with some info about that. I don' have the complete document, which ends with "we give them..." what?
I also found this article about Hitler and JW's...interesting and almost "crazy" read
http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/Hitler_Brooklyn.html
So what do I think? I have no idea...I don't think there is some absolute answer to all this, but it opens some interesting dimensions...
Oh and by the way...why does god's name JHWH appears in pyramids (from the Trinity broschure):
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Watchtower and Illuminati
by izobcenec inhas anyone researched the claims of watchtower & illuminati connection?.
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/templar.htm.
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html.
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Has anyone researched the claims of Watchtower & Illuminati connection?
http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/templar.htm
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html
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Question on Watchtower Images of Destruction
by hawkaw insomeone posted a lot of pictures of destruction from watchtower magazines.. usually i can find just about anything.
like i know randy has a few pics at his freeminds.org site.
but i can't locate the thread on this db that had just a ton of cool pictures.. can anyone help by either linking me to the thread or posting some of those scanned pictures of planes flying into the wt center or the un building blowing up etc.. there is a very sneaky reason why i am asking for some help.. hawk.
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JW's on German national TV ARD
by izobcenec insect or religion?
jehovah's witnesses fight for acknowledgment .
jehovah's witnesses fight for acknowledgment as church for 13 years in germany.
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Sect or religion? Jehovah's Witnesses fight for acknowledgment
Sect or religion? Jehovah's Witnesses fight for acknowledgment as church for 13 years in Germany. For 13 years they argue by all instances about the equalization with the catholic and the Evangelist church. They are nearly at the goal. In few weeks the courts decide whether the Jehovah's Witnesses may levy church tax in the future and operate kindergartens. But the Jehovah's Witnesses are brought again and again with sexual abuse of children in connection. Are they nevertheless recognized? Marcus Weller shows the interior life of an organization, which shrinks from the public. We had already reported into contrasts on the Jehovah's Witnesses, on cases of child abuse. It was particularly heavy for the concerning to look for assistance because the members are not to call the lay courts. The community rejects the state as system Satans. But the material support by our State of, those would like it already, including all privileges. Now the court must decide whether the Jehovah's Witnesses are recognized as a body of public right. Then they might levy church tax and for their youth work would get them automatically money of the state, which they call nevertheless in their writings devil work. Michael Heine and Marcus Weller with rare views of the interior life of an organization, which shrinks from the public.
The world fall, the total destruction. The end of all disbelieving ones. Already soon it will so far be. In it the Jehovah's Witnesses believe. Only they will survive. For more than 100 years already they wait for the approaching end, because then the paradies follows it: No wrong, no diseases and eternal peace on ground connection - that is the promise. "it will wipe each tear off of its eyes and death will be no more." the strictly led organization counts 190,000 trailers - alone in Germany. Their members reject the lay order as system Satans, in addition also the state with all its institutions counts. Paradoxically: Nevertheless they fight before court for the acknowledgment by straight this state. They would be then the office churches on an equal footing. It does not concern here however faith contents. Crucial is only, as the organization deals with the rights of its members. The Kirchenrechtler Professor Ralf Abel was intensively occupied with the Jehovah's Witnesses: Professor Ralf Abel:
"the condition says one, in a general manner: everyone can do and leave which it wants, but: it must respect the rights other and it must the general order accept." To this different in the sense also the members of the organization belong to the condition. Particularly door-willing has heavy conditions with the witnesses. And who offends against the strict rules of the Jehovah's Witnesses, the separation from the own family and the social isolation risks. Because Jehova does not bear a contradiction. An amateur video shows now for the first time, what the witnesses of critics in the own rows hold: Amateur video:
"and there should be under the members of the large people quantity someone, which embodies a notorious spirit of a Noerglers or a know-it-all, someone means to have to transform the theokratische organization from down he should change if he liked to remain a far guest in tents." The court will also have itself to employ with how the Jehovah's Witnesses deal with their children: which role plays physical corporal punishment and in what respect a personality-disturbing bulkheading of the external world takes place. Professor Ralf Abel:
"with the respected rights the other one it depends naturally also on as one deals for example with the own protection-ordered. Thus for example with child under age as coined/shaped, some say possibly to be trained, like SE to ideas of the Jehovah's Witnesses be subjected." Already one year ago it reported CONTRASTE that the Jehovah's Witnesses in many cases hurt the rights of their children. An example under many: Ursel wagner was nine years old, when she was sexually abused by a Jehovah's Witness. Ursel wagner:
"there the brother came regularly to attendance and to my parents offered, hey, I brings the small one in the bed, I reads out to her still another history, makes it determines fun." Cornelia wagner:
"you must introduce yourselves, I stand and make my handle laundry, Mach mean washing-up and this young man are in the room of my daughter, read out to her stories and continue to abuse them a room." Ursels parents, even glaeubige Jehovah's Witnesses, contact - as prescribed - the religious community. But the oldest ones of the municipality require to regulate the thing internally: Cornelia wagner:
"I could not believe that, what these people of me to require now, what I do should, i.e. are silent." For Stefan Wolf [www.infolink-net.de] has this proceeding method. The former Jehovah's Witness documented numerous of such cases: Stefan wolf:
"the concerning have themselves to the elder turned, which were first question, give it to witnesses for it and the second action consisted of saying to the victim it is not or it is not about it to talk. It is tried in all rule to clarify the whole internally. If the author repents it, there were such cases also, then, okay, dear child, you is evenly said must forgive it, because Jehova also forgave it." Layman courts with the Jehovah's Witnesses. In the text book for the oldest ones "Pay attention..." is called it: Quotation: "certain disputes... should not become delivered before lay courts...." "... it lies with the elders to decide whether the statements are reliable" Wants to be called: Even if children are abused, the witnesses try to prevent Jehovas that the victims before lay courts look for assistance. The organization strives for it - as in this advertising video - to up-polish their image. Because with the acknowledgment as church it concerns also much money and power. So the Jehovah's Witnesses could among other things. Church tax to draw in leave, their youth work would be automatically eligible for promotion and they could own representatives into public committees e.g. broadcast councils send. They would have a national seal right. So they might authenticate officially for documents. Stefan wolf:
"if they absolutely and at very much expenditure this body status to attain want, conclude I from the fact that they have other motives, which do not have to do nothing at all with religion. And there only monetary reasons actually occur to me." The center of the Jehovah's Witnesses in the Taunus: KONTRASTE naturally asked for an interview . But the organization partitions itself and places unacceptable demands. In a letter not intended for the publication the "Glaeubigen" demands from the Taunus: Quotation: "the statements unabridged and ungeschnitten sent, without these are commentated." With such methods an independent reporting is to be prevented. Because into the public only that is to arrive, which in its magazines "being awake tower" and "awake" one announces. Freedom of religion against rights of the children. The higher administrative court Berlin will now finally have to clarify whether the Jehovah's Witnesses fulfill the criteria for the acknowledgment. If the organization should be once recognized only, you can be taken the body rights only with difficulty again - so it wants the law. original page: http://www.kontraste.de/0403/manuskripte/txt_jehova.html
video also available here: http://www.kontraste.de - click LETZTE SENDUNG and then under 5. Sekte oder Religion? Zeugen Jehovas kämpfen um Anerkennung als Kirche click this button
Leaders of the German Branch wrote a letter to the editors of KONTRASTE magazine and also published it on official german JW page:
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Has anyone called Brooklyn acting as a concerned dubbie..to get their spin?
by BONEZZ in.
kinda curious as to what the front desk is saying?
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Someone should phone them, ask them about recent UN letter
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The UN Posts Their Letter!
by jgnat indid our letter-writing campaign work?
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.
here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.
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This looks really cool
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Anyone have scans of College directives?
by Hyghlandyr ini have been discussing with my current s.o.
's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.
she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.
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more on WT education:
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Anyone have scans of College directives?
by Hyghlandyr ini have been discussing with my current s.o.
's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.
she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.
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For negative view on education, check the "Young people ask" book...
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1975 watchtower or earlier
by kls ini need to know if there was anything in 1975 awake or watchtower or even before ,that states armageden will be in 1975. i asked my jw huband about this and he told me there is nothing printed about the end in 1975 ,that it was a bunch of jw talk not from the org.
if so how do i find the magazine?
any help would be great.
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