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  New website: jehovahsXwitnesses

  by izobcenec in

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  hello from slovenia!

  we just translated one of our websites into english language.... so all of you are invited to visit this new jw info site...it is still a work in progress.

  http://www.jehovahsxwitnesses.tk

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  no it should not say that :)
  please try to refresh/reload few times...I guess these are beginners problems
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  New website: jehovahsXwitnesses

  by izobcenec in

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  hello from slovenia!

  we just translated one of our websites into english language.... so all of you are invited to visit this new jw info site...it is still a work in progress.

  http://www.jehovahsxwitnesses.tk

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  I think its working !?
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  New website: jehovahsXwitnesses

  by izobcenec in

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  hello from slovenia!

  we just translated one of our websites into english language.... so all of you are invited to visit this new jw info site...it is still a work in progress.

  http://www.jehovahsxwitnesses.tk

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  Hello from Slovenia! We just translated one of our websites into english language...
  So all of you are invited to visit this new JW info site...it is still a work in progress
  
  http://www.jehovahsxwitnesses.tk
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  2002 statistics???

  by izobcenec in

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  does any1 know, what the jw statistics for this year are...i have.

  heard somewhere, that the increase was 0.7%, but i'm not really.

  sure about that info...

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  does any1 know, what the JW statistics for this year are...i have
  heard somewhere, that the increase was 0.7%, but i'm not really
  sure about that info...
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  Jehovah's Witness guilty of sex charges

  by izobcenec in

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  jehovah's witness guilty of sex charges.

  by jane hunt.

  october 14, 2002 12:31 .

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  Jehovah's Witness guilty of sex charges

  BY JANE HUNT

  October 14, 2002 12:31

  A SENIOR member of the Jehovahs Witness Congregation in Ipswich has been warned he could face a jail sentence after being convicted of two offences of indecent assault.
  
  John Pickrell was today found guilty by a jury at Ipswich Crown Court of indecently touching a schoolgirl while giving her a piggyback on a beach and kissing another girl's foot.
  
  Pickrell, 48, of Cedarcroft Road, Ipswich, has denied seven charges of indecent assault on the two girls.
  
  Last week he was cleared of two of the offences on the direction of Judge Nicholas Beddard and today he was cleared of three others by the jury.
  
  Sentence was adjourned for a pre-sentence report until the week beginning November 11.
  
  Pickrell, who has no previous convictions, was released on bail but was warned by Judge Beddard that he could be facing a jail sentence.
  
  SOURCE: http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content/news/NewsStory.asp?Brand=ESTOnline&Category=News&ItemId=IPED14+Oct+2002+12%3A31%3A32%3A663
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  My photos from the Silent Lamb March

  by DebraDoll in

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  http://www.cartogra.com/rs/475ca5f3-de2a-11d6-b42c-0090277a760e

  i coldn't stay silent anymore!

  http://www.supportforxjws.org/lambs3a.html.

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  nice pictures...but the man on this picture (http://www.supportforxjws.org/lambs5a.html) is not JR Brown...
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  What "Two Witness" Rule?

  by Amazing in

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  someone please show me where the watchtower society has stated, in cases of serious sin, the rule that requires "two witnesse" to the event or act!

  at best, one or two witnesses are preferred!

  period ... but if there are no witnesses, then other evidence can be presented to witnesses or the elders.

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  Pay attention to yourselves and all the flock, p.108
  
  Other cases of serious wrongdoing require special atten-
  tion by the elders in order to determine what is needed to help the repentant wrongdoer and to preserve the
  spiritual health of all in the congregation.

  These include such sins as adultery, fornication, apostasy,
  and drunkenness. (See Unit 5 (a), pages 92-6.)

  Before forming a committee, elders determine if the accu-
  sation has substance.

  It must Scripturally be an offense serious enough to
  result in disfellowshipping.

  There must be either two witnesses or a confession of
  wrongdoing.

  If there is not enough evidence to form a committee
  but serious questions have been raised, two elders may
  be assigned to investigate the matter.

  If a judicial committee is needed, elders who are present at
  the Kingdom Hall should determine which elders will
  serve on the committee and which one will be chairman.

  ...

  What kind of evidence is acceptable?
  There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons
  repeating what they have heard; no action can be taken if
  there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15;Jol1ll 8:17)

  Confession (admission of wrongdoing), either written or
  oral, may be accepted as conclusive proof without other
  corroborating evidence. (Josh. 7:19)

  Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evi-
  dence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the
  accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of
  the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known
  homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.

  The testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to
  the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of
  truth.

  The testimony of unbelievers may also be considered, but
  it must be carefully weighed.

  If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of
  wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident,
  their testimony can be considered.

  Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is
  preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence
  of wrongdoing.
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  Quality design?

  by izobcenec in

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  what do you think about this new slovenian xjw website.

  http://www.jehovovexprice.tk/.

  jehovovexprice is jehovahsxwitnesses

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  What do you think about this new Slovenian xjw website
  
  http://www.jehovovexprice.tk/
  
  JehovoveXprice is JehovahsXwitnesses
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  How to get personal file from WT???

  by izobcenec in

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  i would like to know, if it is possible, for someone, who leaves jw's (or is df) to get his personal file, stored in kingdom .

  hall and in bethel...i mean the judical commitee hearing notes, s77 form (or a copy of it), publisher record card and all.

  other documents...what kind of request must one do an to whom?

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  I would like to know, if it is possible, for someone, who leaves JW's (or is DF) to get his personal file, stored in kingdom
  hall and in bethel...i mean the judical commitee hearing notes, S77 form (or a copy of it), publisher record card and all
  other documents...what kind of request must one do an to whom? Thanx for your info!
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  What's with the media and the march

  by Lady Lee in

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  where are the reports.

  what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.

  were they threatened.

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  A radical islam belief is forcing the stoning of a young mother in africa because she had sex out of wedlock- and you thought jw's were radical. Maybe you did not watch the public beheadings in afganastan in the soccor fields.

  
  Mr Bush and Mr Blair will solve those problems joking
  
  Kelsey: yes, they are even crazyer people in the world. That is a fact. But all on this forum were affected by WTS somehaw, not by afganistanis or islam extremists. It is natural, that we all want some justice, me, you, bill bowen and all the victims. bill is obviusly aware, that the silentlambs issue will end in:
  
  - end of silentlambs movement
  - end of watchtower
  
  Its really that simple!
  
  I guess you wouldnt fight anything, just to keep it "positive" You still have emotions for WTS and that is your problem. There just lying humans (the leaders), and and blind believers (jw's)...I will state again: I dont hate Jw's in general, I wish I could help them, at least I'm trying. While I CAN find positive things on Jw's as people, I CAN'T find anything positive about WTS. I mean, lying for now 130 yrs, always changing the doctrine and then blaming the poor publishers, that they didnt understant it right, that is absolutely sick. They are well aware of their power and, as you see, the can even afford to have their own sex scandal and most jw's dont either know or care.
  
  I agree with you, our propaganda wont affect the WTS directly, but IF the authorities, the police or FBI start to investigate, the WT is gone.
  
  I have been a Jw' for 30 years and I know how thing work.
  
  And Bill Bowen? He is a great guy, he has already helped the victims, many were just happy to see, that someone is fighting this problem, that was enough for them.
  
  And remember, Kelsey, this is a discussion board, we discuss thing and that doesnt mean, that we always agree on things. But running away is not a solution, lets talk some more! You are mentioning reform of WTS, I ask you again: what would you reform? How would you reform?

  Edited by - izobcenec on 30 September 2002 8:5:20