I was always taught ( as a witness ) that the fruit spoken of in Matthew 13:8 "But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold." was speaking of the amount of people you turn to the truth "the disciples" you make.
Matthew 13:23 "But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty"
After reading on a little and contemplating verses further on in chapter 13 alone i have concluded this passage cannot be speaking of "disciples" as "fruit" because if we revert back to Matthew 13:22 we find the following "He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word, and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
Considering Matthew 13:22 we find that the "cares of the world" and "riches" have choked out his fruitfulnes , It must be admitted many witnesses and people of other religions carry on their ungodly habits in private but push forth with pretense on the ministry. Hence they bring forth "fruit" ( disciples ) into their so called truth/religion. therefore still as regards the JW's theory they are producing fruit, this however stands firmly against the scripture, for the scripture states that because of these things ( their worldy lusts and workings ) they are NOT being fruitful.
All i personally see this scripture stating is that the "fruit" are the works we perform as Christians in our everyday lives, our very mode of thinking, the product of the seed that has been planted then fruiting in our actions and thoughts. This still however doesnt make us correct, righteous or acceptable in Gods eyes, only Jesus's sacrifice performs such an action.
All the best
God bless you all
Ade
Posts by Ade
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1The meaning of fruitfulness
by Ade ini was always taught ( as a witness ) that the fruit spoken of in matthew 13:8 "but other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
" was speaking of the amount of people you turn to the truth "the disciples" you make.
matthew 13:23 "but he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty" .
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The Authority Scripture Witnesses Never Quote
by metatron inthe next time some some self righteous bone head witness puts watchtower leaders up on an exalted pedestal,.
read numbers 12:6-8!.
the liars on the writing staff love to create dramas and other bilge that gives them the authority of moses with all critics condemned.
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i find it easier to turn to the N.T and find that all brothers are equal >:) .so let the elder step forward who is better than any of us here.
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Explain to me who goes to heaven and those who will live on earth
by JH ini'm a little rusty.. i remember reading that those who died before jesus's death would all resurrect on earth during the millennium, like john the baptist, who died before jesus.. and mary, although was born before jesus, died after jesus, so she will live in heaven.. so, after jesus's death, who are the 144,000 who will live in heaven with him.
could an old indian living in australia who never heard about jesus go to heaven....lol.
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Maybe,
Paradise is also in heaven ??
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Explain to me who goes to heaven and those who will live on earth
by JH ini'm a little rusty.. i remember reading that those who died before jesus's death would all resurrect on earth during the millennium, like john the baptist, who died before jesus.. and mary, although was born before jesus, died after jesus, so she will live in heaven.. so, after jesus's death, who are the 144,000 who will live in heaven with him.
could an old indian living in australia who never heard about jesus go to heaven....lol.
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Miracles if you believe
by Ade inheres a little something i was wondering about and would like your opinions, .
miracles, can they occur , for instance you have cancer and pray to god and the cancer is gone etc.
i dont believe any man can heal you ( faith healers ), for i believe only god or jesus can heal you through your faith.
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Heres a little something i was wondering about and would like your opinions,
Miracles, can they occur , for instance you have cancer and pray to God and the cancer is gone etc.
I dont believe any man can heal you ( faith healers ), for i believe only God or Jesus can heal you through your faith.
or do you believe its ALL hocus pocus
Do you have any experiences of it that you KNOW are genuine ??
All the best
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This makes me sick!!
by Ade ini just read this as part of one of jgnat's posts its obviously nothing against her take a look and comment.i mean who are they trying to fool.
out of all creation they are "groaning" the most .
our identification as jehovah's witnesses .
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Hi Rassillon its as follows,
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/121063/1.ashx
all the best
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POLL : Your reaction IF all religion was suddenly banned worldwide
by fish inim interested in hearing what your personal reaction would be if (i say if because probably 99.9% here believe this will never happen) all the religions of the world were to be suddenly banned/shut down/decommissioned/liquidated/dismembered/etc.. by the political powers of the world.
what would your first post here say?
would it change your view of jehovah...of the "org"?
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i have faith , so if all religion was banned , wouldnt matter one ounce to me >:).
in fact i'd sing and dance with joy lol
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 9-24-06 WT Study (JOB AGAIN)
by blondie inhe kept his money in its proper place?when he encountered widows or orphans, he helped them?but only fellow believers as jws only help other jws, if that.. .
mature christians?only jws.
christian?s integrity?only jws.
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Hi jgnat,
i grew , cherokee purple , sunsugar sweet and orange pixie toms this year . kids said they were lovely.planted my zinnias too late >:(.
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This makes me sick!!
by Ade ini just read this as part of one of jgnat's posts its obviously nothing against her take a look and comment.i mean who are they trying to fool.
out of all creation they are "groaning" the most .
our identification as jehovah's witnesses .
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i just read this as part of one of jgnat's posts its obviously nothing against her take a look and comment.i mean who are they trying to fool. out of all creation they are "groaning" the most
Our Identification as Jehovah's Witnesses
As ministers of the good news, we are known publicly as Jehovah's Witnesses. Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor. It is not carried on at the insistence of any man or organization but is according to our God-given commission to preach the "good news" and make disciples. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any other corporation used by "the faithful and discreet slave" to advance Kingdom interests.?Matt. 24:45-47.
In case of an accident or an emergency or if problems are encountered while working trailer parks, apartments, or certain other territory, publishers may need some form of personal identification beyond giving their name along with a brief Scriptural explanation of the nature of our religious work. If questioned, or when asked for credentials, baptized publishers may use the identification card (S-65) signed by the presiding overseer, which shows one is preaching the good news of the Kingdom in association with the local congregation named on the card.
A supply of identification cards (S-65), which may be issued to baptized publishers when there is a need, will be included with the annual shipment of congregation forms. If any publishers use a personal name card in connection with their field service activities, they should not print thereon that they are representatives of the Watchtower Society.
"Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor" I mean most witnesses hate it but are "forced" to do it"" or arent considered worthy , for instance you cant get baptozed unless you do the ministry .
Next , "our God-given commission to preach the "good news" and make disciples. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20)" When questioned as to the greatest commands was preaching mentioned?? ( as in the form of going house to house - which incidentally most definatley does not meaning knocking peoples doors and aggravating them.( causing your neighbour to hate you )
Can someone please explain to me if i'm wrong here, how what Jesus said 1) applies to us today, after all at the bibles completion the gospel is and could be known to virtually every person on earth within due course and if they have interest in it - and scripture states that GOD will give them the wisdom to understand it - and may i add all this without a reasoning book , . and would our God hold those accountable who never got chance to read or understand it - i think not 2)anywhere where Jesus implied you should go and annoy people to get them to follow God, after all didn't Jesus rely on the people COMING TO HIM as he travelled.
I see nothing to say in the verses quoted, that anyone besides the chosen ones full of holy spirit should go and spread the word ( i'm not saying its wrong to go publicly and speak about GOD - just there is a time and place, and peole will choose to listen if they are drawn to God )
God draws those to him who love him - he does not send someone out carrying additional literature to the bible with divine revelations of men.
all the best
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Can too many meetings be harmful to a person's spirituality?
by JH ini think so.. the watchtower wouldn't agree with me.
too much of anything is counter productive.. it's like eating a good meal, and 5 minutes later ordering the same plate.
you won't feel like eating because your full.
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apparently only if there are quails there lol.
God bless you all
Ade