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  105 Years in the Watchtower Service

  by concerbedbf in

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  2. bible

  has anyone viewed this video?

  im considering purchasing it for my gf, who is a long term book study.

  she is reluctantly reading coc not sure if it is helping or hurting.

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  Ade

  Hmm its hard to say my friend,
  i personally would show her from the bible, people here would help.After all , she can deny raymond franz's book or the video, but will she deny evidence they are wrong from the bible??
  
  I'd place a post asking for scriptures to show her the error of the JW doctrine and the doctrinal changes through the years.
  
  All the best
  Ade
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  I finally got the courage

  by hambeak in

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  2. friends

  i have been wanting to get the book crisis of conscience by ray franz for some time but for some reason have felt i might be commiting the unforgivable sin.

  so i ordered it on amazon will be here in about 5 days.

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  Ade

  Good for you,
  I read this book after i discovered the witnesses were wrong from the bible, i also read, counting the days to armageddon by robert crompton thats a worthwhile book as well.
  
  God bless you and yours, especialy with your fine decision to use your own mind
  Ade
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  A most notable bible verse

  by Ade in

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  2. bible

  ecc 12:12 "and further, from these, my son, be warned; the making of many books hath no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

  in this verse there is a fluent sweetness to the eyes of the ones seeking gods love and a sharp bite to those who lose love and become a mere student of words offering up argumentations of men from their doctrines.

  it has exceptional applicability in numerous situations, possibly even to people who keep trying to offer you extra biblical literature.

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  Ade

  Hi Q,
  thats very true, but that doesnt mean each person followed that path, bible or no bible, you know the saying, "hes a genuinely good person etc".God gives us all a conscience, its up to us how and if we use it.
  
  Religion is to be blamed for much negativity,proving it to be the teachings of men ( IMO most of them uninspired by anything but cold hard cash ).Even if whats included in the bible or other teachings has been tampered with ( yes we can read millions of books concerning textual criticsm - i have read some that were complete drivel, picking at points that hold no worth ) the message is similar. What draws the majority of people is the want of a better life, for some maybe escape, However the heart and mind are searching for something and its usually positive.
  
  So some of those people in the times you speak of would have been genuine loving people even if misled, i dont believe God would destroy them for that or send them to a hell ( depending on your beliefs ) because they truly may have wanted to know God, I dont believe for one minute he is unrighteous enough to simply cast them aside when they have the love for him.
  
  I believe not only those old religious leaders to be oppresive, but all of todays religions either try to be oppressive or leave their members to do as they please, believing being part of that religion will save them .I believe religion to be a product of Satan .
  
  
  So regardless of religious books some poeple will accept Him ( God ) some wont, This is evident within humanity itself. The only way we ultimatley all answer these questions is after we die.
  
  God bless you and yours
  Ade
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Hi Deputy D,
  Yup thats quite true, also if hes going to paradise the same day, where is paradise >:)
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  Ade

  Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said to him, "Positively I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise."
  NWT places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.
  Now the average JW uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.
  
  I never really considered this point as a JW, the punctuation used in this verse was used by Jesus on many occasions 76 times in the NT, heres the big hitter to ask your visiting JW or family member. Why is the comma placed there in this verse but in every other instance where Jesus says this phrase the comma comes after the first instance of the word you.
  
  As i read on another site , to render the verse like this is the same as saying "let me tell you the truth, today is was etc etc" we wouldnt say "Let me tell you the truth today, i was etc etc" its pointless and pretty much senseless.
  
  all the best
  Ade
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  The Vicious Circle

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the way i found being a jw to be in a simplified fashion .

  get taught evil doctrine, .

  accept it because you keep reading their tracts/books, .

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  Ade

  Hi I.wonder,
  Firstly welcome i dont think ive spoken to you before, maybe you should try to gently ask a few questions whilst studying "the truth" with your husband, especially if the chance arises to look at the history of the society. I DO sympathize with your situation, i was virtually always shunned for get this "reading too much".
  
  God bless you and yours
  Ade
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  The Vicious Circle

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the way i found being a jw to be in a simplified fashion .

  get taught evil doctrine, .

  accept it because you keep reading their tracts/books, .

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  Ade

  Concerning the failed prophecies, not long before i left i tested the honesty of a few elders.Whilst out on field service i asked them about 1975 and the end ( these were older men - been in the truth for over 40 years ) they both said it had never happened "no such announcements were made anywhere" one truthful elder however told me he had actually heard it said from the platform.
  
  incredible how they can ruin yourlife and keep on lying to keep you in ruination.
  
  All the best
  Ade
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  The Vicious Circle

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the way i found being a jw to be in a simplified fashion .

  get taught evil doctrine, .

  accept it because you keep reading their tracts/books, .

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  Ade

  Ja ons is goed man, maar dit is baaie koud hier .. brrrrrrrrrr
  
  Ade
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  The Vicious Circle

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the way i found being a jw to be in a simplified fashion .

  get taught evil doctrine, .

  accept it because you keep reading their tracts/books, .

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  Ade

  This is the way i found being a JW to be in a simplified fashion
  
  Get taught evil doctrine,
  accept it because you keep reading their tracts/books,
  learn never to question it as the FDS are always correct
  start attending between three and five meetings a week
  be forced out on ministry if you want to be baptized
  become accepted ( except you can never be as good as those "born into the truth",
  get baptized,
  be even more accepted because your baptized ( but still have no true friends )
  lose your social life
  become depressed
  be told you need to do more on the ministry thats why your depressed
  do more on the ministry
  become more depressed ( except now you dont even have time to see the doctor )
  plod along unhappy and feeling worthless because your pleasing God.
  in some cases become suicidal ,commit suicide and then none of your so called brothers and sisters attend your funeral and God rejects you so all of the above was in vain.
  
  Some however,
  start to read the bible and realize that if Jesus yoke is light and unburdensome then surely living on prozac just isnt right.
  Look deeper into the errors in JW doctrine
  Go and tell the elders what you think about their lies
  DA OR BECOME DF'D
  go home celebrate your birthday the same year ( without feeling guilty )
  have more knowledge about how a cult can control your mind
  actually have time to read the bible
  hang around in places like this
  find time to question witnesses and cult who come to your door
  attend apostafests
  Serve God through Faith accepting his Grace, not believing the works ( placing tracts / magazines ) you do will save you.
  oh yeah , and finally go buy a decent bible translation, one that A satanist didnt translate.
  Die Happy >:)
  
  
  all the best
  Ade
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  A most notable bible verse

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ecc 12:12 "and further, from these, my son, be warned; the making of many books hath no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

  in this verse there is a fluent sweetness to the eyes of the ones seeking gods love and a sharp bite to those who lose love and become a mere student of words offering up argumentations of men from their doctrines.

  it has exceptional applicability in numerous situations, possibly even to people who keep trying to offer you extra biblical literature.

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  Ade

  "Also of course being Mormon I accept more books and await an avalanche of inspired ancient records at some point that will make our current Bible look pretty puny...but that's another story."
  
  Why await inspired books, if you say they are not needed to worship God??
  
  All the best
  Ade