atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy~
Control myself? Right, good response to what I asked you. Ok, I won't type in capital letters anymore...
How about responding to what I asked? Have you given any thought to why you need to have faith in your belief system? You said you were thinking, "outside the box"....
So....Why is faith a requirement? Gymbob
atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy~
As usual, the believer falls back on, "this is where faith comes in". Faith, faith, faith.....have you ever stopped to ask yourself WHY?? Why do you need to have faith?
Why believe that things that are impossible in our natural world, really did at one time happen? Why not simply believe in what can be proved? It's been know to work pretty well...
atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy,
That's it? That's all you can say? Sad....
Lt.~
An awesome post, well put. Thank you! Gymbob
atheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
Slappy,
Startingover is right.
I read everything you have posted, and your level of knowledge on the subject you speak of is sadly low. Geez, educate yourself!
i am wondering now if brothers like j.r. brown, or perhaps someone in the service department might do a ray franz.
the more i think about the convention this past weekend, and how desperate brother pierce sounded, the more i think things are really getting weird in new york.
when i was there, it was like a fortress of faith, at least to me.
Good question....
Not sure about active members of the bethel fam, but I can verify that there are a number of us very rank ex-betheites here!
one day after a sunday meeting, 2 elders got into it with each other and started screaming at one another in the back of the hall just as service arrangements were being made.
of course, the boe counseled them strongly but the result was that the congregation lost respect for the whole body.
NO. I had 2 elders come over to my house, sit me down and tell me how bad it was that I let my daughter play Volleyball on the school team. Now, both of these guys are in their 40's and neither of them even has kids! One of them tells me, "Even though we don't have any children, we know there are some decisions like this that are very hard to make as a parent". Then I told them that this wasn't hard at all, and it was really a no-brainer. (That didn't go over too well...)
They didn't want to reason. They didn't even want to talk about it. I had to get her off the team or else I was going to loose my "privs" .....
I felt like telling them, "Hey, I have an idea....how about letting me raise my kids the way I choose, and you guys can go outside and practice falling down!!"
How do you show respect for idiots like that?? Gymbob
i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
Minimus~
I knew Bruce, we sat at the same table for a while....
Does anybody remember Jim LaBrenz? He was a tall, white guy from Texas who worked in cardcutting for a while. I often wonder what happened to some of these guys. Gymbob
my wife has been studying for a short while with a sister from a local congregation whose husband happens to be the po of the congregation.
they are not presently doing a conventional bible study, they are doing a topical study, having done heaven and paradise earth, next week (when he shows up to chat with me and answer some of my questions) the topic may be either generation or michael/jesus.
in a phone conversation with the po husband, i had asked him about the last days section of the 1989 reasoning book and the statement 'the generation that was alive at the beginning of 1914 is now well along in years.
Darth frosty is right on! But, it must be worded in the correct way to TEACH.
Ask the question, "Could it be possible that the WTS has always made changes (got "new light") after the prophecies failed because the prophecy failed??
The person answering would be forced to answer yes. If they don't, ask, "You don't think that's possible? Then you're saying that it's impossible?"
Now you have planted some seeds of doubt.....Gymbob
tremble when it thunders, and the window panes vibrate and you can hear the sloshing sound of rain against the parched roof baking in the august heat?
do you drift back in time when you hid your face in a pillow from the thunder and shaking walls and could scarcely think of looking at the magic monster in the clouds?
what name do you hear when the sound of the thunderous rainstorm calls?
Frankly, I make popcorn and pull up a chair.....Gymbob
That's my neighbors! Sorry, forgot to fill that part in!
